European Elections 2019

[planetgeli]

My point upthread was that it merely confirmed the virtual 50/50 divide.

But even if that vote for BP does only equate to something like 15% of the electorate that's an impressive figure for a party formed 6 weeks ago whose voters turned out for an election they don't believe in and for candidates who don't want to physically represent them.

Nobody and no argument is going to change their entrenched position. They aren't going away or have a fairy wand waved over them in a second referendum.

 

[newbie]

That's a pity as all our politicians are a rotten shower

ooh, I'm not sure it's just the local ones.

 

[Pickman's model]

ooh, I'm not sure it's just the local ones.

All our politicians

 

[ferrelhadley]

Labour come in fifth in Scotland
The SNP comfortably topped the poll in the European elections in Scotland, taking nearly 38% of the vote and three seats.

The Brexit Party were second with nearly 15% and one seat.

The Lib Dems took one seat and the Tories took the final place.

Labour came fifth and lost their two MEPs.

Reaction to UK European election results

"Yes now the rains weep o'er his hall,
and not a soul to hear."

 

[newbie]

My point upthread was that it merely confirmed the virtual 50/50 divide.

But even if that vote for BP does only equate to something like 15% of the electorate that's an impressive figure for a party formed 6 weeks ago whose voters turned out for an election they don't believe in and for candidates who don't want to physically represent them.

Nobody and no argument is going to change their entrenched position. They aren't going away or have a fairy wand waved over them in a second referendum.

It's not 50/50. A bit over a third each voted unambiguously no deal and remain, and nearly 1/4 stuck with one or other of the big main parties, who are both seeking some sort of managed deal. It's the same 3 way split as parliament.

 

[cupid_stunt]

When I first looked at the list of MEPs for the SE, I saw Alexandra Phillips listed twice, without any middle names, and thought that was a mistake, turns out it wasn't.

 

[Poi E]

"In her victory speech, Claire Fox said the Brexit Party "will remake the world in a new form"."

Brexit Party wins three North West seats
Get ready, folks.

 

[Pickman's model]

"In her victory speech, Claire Fox said the Brexit Party "will remake the world in a new form"."

Brexit Party wins three North West seats
Get ready, folks.

she couldn't redo her sitting room let alone the remake the world

 

[JimW]

Brave new world.

 

[A380]

Brave new world.

Led by epsilons...

 

[kebabking]

I notice Dan Hannan has lost his European seat - I wonder whether he'll be looking for a Westminster seat, and for which party...

 

[gosub]

I notice Dan Hannan has lost his European seat - I wonder whether he'll be looking for a Westminster seat, and for which party...

Nah he got back in. One of only 4 tories that did. Might be difficult with those sort of numbers to continue providing the strength and stability we"ve begun to take for granted

 

[belboid]

I notice Dan Hannan has lost his European seat - I wonder whether he'll be looking for a Westminster seat, and for which party...

He scraped in, actually

 

[gentlegreen]

"In her victory speech, Claire Fox said the Brexit Party "will remake the world in a new form"."

Brexit Party wins three North West seats
Get ready, folks.

Jihadi paedophile porn for everyone !

 

[Mr Moose]

He scraped in, actually

That’s nice. He can have one more go on the gravy train the hypocrite.

Daniel Hannan's MEP group told to repay €535,000 in EU funds

 

[Mr Moose]

"In her victory speech, Claire Fox said the Brexit Party "will remake the world in a new form"."

Brexit Party wins three North West seats
Get ready, folks.

Post Brexit Britain will lead the world in vacuous ‘thought’ consultancies. Ex steel workers will be encouraged to set up ‘think tanks’ to consider ‘difficult’ problems i.e. how to present right wing concerns as left wing ones.

 

[rekil]

"In her victory speech, Claire Fox said the Brexit Party "will remake the world in a new form"."

 

[gosub]

"In her victory speech, Claire Fox said the Brexit Party "will remake the world in a new form"."

Brexit Party wins three North West seats
Get ready, folks.

Thank fuck for that. Starting to find the flat earth nonsense a bit tedious


Newell teapot ftw

 

[Limejuice]

When I first looked at the list of MEPs for the SE, I saw Alexandra Phillips listed twice, without any middle names, and thought that was a mistake, turns out it wasn't.

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I was watching the results as they were announced on the BBC, and the caption showed 'Alexandra Phillips' twice.

I thought, good old Beeb, some poor sausage has been hammering away at the captions all night, probably needs a double-espresso and a ciggy.

 

[teuchter]

When I first looked at the list of MEPs for the SE, I saw Alexandra Phillips listed twice, without any middle names, and thought that was a mistake, turns out it wasn't.

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Great anecdote - thanks for sharing.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Great anecdote - thanks for sharing.

No problem, you twat.

 

[gosub]

anyone seen any stats on spoiled ballots?

 

[belboid]

They did seem high when they were being read out 5-10k in each constituency

 

[Ranbay]

anyone seen any stats on spoiled ballots?

 

[killer b]

Ashcroft has some figures about where votes moved between parties and the like here - click through for more.

 

[brogdale]

Ashcroft has some figures about where votes moved between parties and the like here - click through for more.

Lab shedding 3 "R" : 1 "L"

 

[ferrelhadley]

So right wing
Brexit: 5,244,893 31.6%
Liberal Dem: 3,366,673 20.3%
Conservative: 1,510,874 at 9.1%
Change: 571,846 about 3.3%
UKIP: 554,463 another 3.1%

Giving about 67.4%

Left (or if your that kind, centrist)
Labour 2,346,441 14.1%
Green: 2,010,328 12.1%
SNP: 590,947 3.6%
Plaid: 163,928 1%
Socialist Party of Great Britain: 3,505 0.0% (ffs you get more people at Rugby Park for a Kilmarnock game!)

About 30.8% (the other 3% is mostly in the exclave on the island of Ireland)

Pretty grim reading.
First up the Momentum "youth surge" or whatever has disappeared.
Labour seems down to its bare bones loyalists.
Any "one nation" Conservative and Unionist party is now dead.
I do not think this says much about how people will vote in a general election but it does suggest that emotive issues like national identity are able to sway people away from parties that may think they represent voters best interests economically.
Been thinking about this today and it strikes me that the tories are going to put up a bombastic Brexiter as party leader and embrace the polarisation. Taking out the Lib Dem and CHUK vote that most people would see as economically centrist, there is still a huge amount of votes for the tories to hoover up if they can get some momentum behind a bombastic "put us in power and its either a much better deal or no deal" type message in a snap election.
As much as this election has been: lol 9%, I think they have a reasonable chance of mugging together a big enough vote in a mixed anti Labour and "Brexit at any cost" coalition for them to seriously try in August or somewhere around then.

As always your mileage may vary.

 

[Pickman's model]

So right wing
Brexit: 5,244,893 31.6%
Liberal Dem: 3,366,673 20.3%
Conservative: 1,510,874 at 9.1%
Change: 571,846 about 3.3%
UKIP: 554,463 another 3.1%

Giving about 67.4%

Left (or if your that kind, centrist)
Labour 2,346,441 14.1%
Green: 2,010,328 12.1%
SNP: 590,947 3.6%
Plaid: 163,928 1%
Socialist Party of Great Britain: 3,505 0.0% (ffs you get more people at Rugby Park for a Kilmarnock game!)

About 30.8% (the other 3% is mostly in the exclave on the island of Ireland)

Pretty grim reading.
First up the Momentum "youth surge" or whatever has disappeared.
Labour seems down to its bare bones loyalists.
Any "one nation" Conservative and Unionist party is now dead.
I do not think this says much about how people will vote in a general election but it does suggest that emotive issues like national identity are able to sway people away from parties that may think they represent voters best interests economically.
Been thinking about this today and it strikes me that the tories are going to put up a bombastic Brexiter as party leader and embrace the polarisation. Taking out the Lib Dem and CHUK vote that most people would see as economically centrist, there is still a huge amount of votes for the tories to hoover up if they can get some momentum behind a bombastic "put us in power and its either a much better deal or no deal" type message in a snap election.
As much as this election has been: lol 9%, I think they have a reasonable chance of mugging together a big enough vote in a mixed anti Labour and "Brexit at any cost" coalition for them to seriously try in August or somewhere around then.

As always your mileage may vary.

You might wonder what the other ~40% of the electorate who turned out in 2016 were doing, being as the turnout was so low

John Lydon described anarchism as mind games for the middle classes. I'd say psephology should have the same def

 

[ferrelhadley]

You might wonder what the other ~40% of the electorate who turned out in 2016 were doing,

Waiting for a general election a year later?

 

[maomao]

So right wing
Brexit: 5,244,893 31.6%
Liberal Dem: 3,366,673 20.3%
Conservative: 1,510,874 at 9.1%
Change: 571,846 about 3.3%
UKIP: 554,463 another 3.1%

Giving about 67.4%

Left (or if your that kind, centrist)
Labour 2,346,441 14.1%
Green: 2,010,328 12.1%
SNP: 590,947 3.6%
Plaid: 163,928 1%
Socialist Party of Great Britain: 3,505 0.0% (ffs you get more people at Rugby Park for a Kilmarnock game!)

About 30.8% (the other 3% is mostly in the exclave on the island of Ireland)

Pretty grim reading.
First up the Momentum "youth surge" or whatever has disappeared.
Labour seems down to its bare bones loyalists.
Any "one nation" Conservative and Unionist party is now dead.
I do not think this says much about how people will vote in a general election but it does suggest that emotive issues like national identity are able to sway people away from parties that may think they represent voters best interests economically.
Been thinking about this today and it strikes me that the tories are going to put up a bombastic Brexiter as party leader and embrace the polarisation. Taking out the Lib Dem and CHUK vote that most people would see as economically centrist, there is still a huge amount of votes for the tories to hoover up if they can get some momentum behind a bombastic "put us in power and its either a much better deal or no deal" type message in a snap election.
As much as this election has been: lol 9%, I think they have a reasonable chance of mugging together a big enough vote in a mixed anti Labour and "Brexit at any cost" coalition for them to seriously try in August or somewhere around then.

As always your mileage may vary.

I think it's a mistake to split it into left and right but surely if you're not the kind of lefty who considers Labour and the Greens centrists then you don't consider the LDs properly right wing? If your right wing covers everything from sandal wearing liberals to the swivel eyed loons on the other side of UKIP then no wonder it's doing better than your rather narrow left.