European Elections 2019

[Proper Tidy]

This is the Labour dilemma though isn't it, they are losing votes from Leave and Remain. Where Remainers get the idea that going full Remain would be a guaranteed GE winner I have no idea.

This is the first time Plaid have beaten Labour nationally in Wales, but interestingly they are not beating Labour in the seats they'd have to - Torfaen, Caerphilly, Blaenau Gwent - in order to have a chance of winning the next Assembly election outright.

Yeah, in euro elections on hiding to nothing with their position - but could retain votes of some of those switching in a GE, whereas going full remain would fuck them.

Re Plaid, reckon just breaking out of their ghetto to win votes and maybe longer term political synpathy from people who won't have considered them before will be a victory for them. Post Wood I don't fancy their chances in winning over key valley constituencies anyway

 

[Balbi]

As Lansman's just said on Twitter, anyone claiming these results indicate anyone should adopt a hard Remain position already decided to say that before the count started.

Another referendum on these numbers would be bloody carnage, and for all their bullshit the Peoples Vote lot genuinely haven't a clue how to campaign to win a second referendum.

 

[magneze]

The deaths of UKIP and CHUK mentioned on BBC News.

 

[Plumdaff]

Yeah, in euro elections on hiding to nothing with their position - but could retain votes of some of those switching in a GE, whereas going full remain would fuck them.

Re Plaid, reckon just breaking out of their ghetto to win votes and maybe longer term political synpathy from people who won't have considered them before will be a victory for them. Post Wood I don't fancy their chances in winning over key valley constituencies anyway

Handily beating Labour in Cardiff and Pembrokeshire and absolutely trouncing them in Ynys Mon is psychologically massive, I agree.

 

[DotCommunist]

completely unsuprised to see peoples vote type fools claim these results mean labour should now go full remain. Monomaniacs

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Stillborn in the case of the chuckers.

 

[Mr Retro]

Will Corbyn resign now his non-policy for these elections cost Labour so many votes?

 

[DotCommunist]

for all their bullshit the Peoples Vote lot genuinely haven't a clue how to campaign to win a second referendum.

I get the impression they think winning is a foregone conclusin, just hold the PV and remain has to win, just like it had to win first time around...

 

[DotCommunist]

Will Corbyn resign now his non-policy for these elections cost Labour so many votes?

no.

 

[Balbi]

Will Corbyn resign now his non-policy for these elections cost Labour so many votes?

No, but the centrist fuckers are absolutely going to put another leadership challenge together - because fucking hell lol

 

[Plumdaff]

Despite voting Remain in 2016, a major motivating factor for me for a second referendum is seeing some of these people's faces when Leave wins again.

 

[planetgeli]

In spunking cock news a ballot paper filled out in Leicester with the word 'wank' against every candidate was filed as a valid vote for the Greens as 'not wank' had been written next to them.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

As Lansman's just said on Twitter, anyone claiming these results indicate anyone should adopt a hard Remain position already decided to say that before the count started.

Another referendum on these numbers would be bloody carnage, and for all their bullshit the Peoples Vote lot genuinely haven't a clue how to campaign to win a second referendum.

Why? If you add brexit and ukip votes together, they're not that much up on last time, pre-referendum. And adding green to libdem looks likely to give a bigger number.

 

[ruffneck23]

 

[agricola]

Will Corbyn resign now his non-policy for these elections cost Labour so many votes?

Why would he? This is an election returning MEPs who will be out of a job in five months time.

 

[Plumdaff]

Why? If you add brexit and ukip votes together, they're not that much up on last time, pre-referendum. And adding green to libdem looks likely to give a bigger number.

If a second referendum was a real goer, shouldn't we be seeing the vote going down?

 

[DexterTCN]

Most of them have jumped to the brexit party.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

If a second referendum was a real goer, shouldn't we be seeing the vote going down?

Not necessarily. In the last elections, most people weren't voting specifically for or against brexit (still the coalition govt - no referendum planned at that point). In this one, a lot of people were.

 

[Patteran]

Mcr results - Labour 40,191, Lib Dems 21,041, Greens 19,966, Brexit Party 15,069 & Change UK 2,381 & Tommy Robinson 2,171.

ETA - link to Liverpool Echo source

 

[Proper Tidy]

Handily beating Labour in Cardiff and Pembrokeshire and absolutely trouncing them in Ynys Mon is psychologically massive, I agree.

My other half (remain) voted plaid for first time, switching from labour. Her mum switched from Tory to plaid. Even a bit of that sticking for senedd would fuck labour, can't get a majority as it is. Would fear Plaid going into coalition with the filth under its new leadership though

 

[toblerone3]

I get the impression they think winning is a foregone conclusin, just hold the PV and remain has to win, just like it had to win first time around...

Its not a forgone conclusion but almost every single opinion poll since September 2017 has shown a majority for remain.

 

[weepiper]

Edinburgh!

 

[Plumdaff]

Not necessarily. In the last elections, most people weren't voting specifically for or against brexit (still the coalition govt - no referendum planned at that point). In this one, a lot of people were.

It's clear that despite the headlines, the plurality of votes cast in Wales were for pro Remain parties, which is a change from the referendum. It's not decisive on a low turn out though.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

It's clear that despite the headlines, the plurality of votes cast in Wales were for pro Remain parties, which is a change from the referendum. It's not decisive on a low turn out though.

Totally agree that it's not decisive, but I don't see these results as indicating that a second ref would go leave again. If anything I see it as very soft evidence for a narrow remain, which is what most opinions polls suggest would happen.

 

[Balbi]

Why? If you add brexit and ukip votes together, they're not that much up on last time, pre-referendum. And adding green to libdem looks likely to give a bigger number.

Because this isn't a Brexit referendum and it's dumb as fuck to assume that within Labour, Tories etc there aren't still Leavers who would still vote Leave given the choice to - combined with the knowledge that the Remain campaign are a bunch of squabbling twats who haven't yet worked out a strategy to win a secon referendum beyond 'people will see the mistake they made'.

 

[Proper Tidy]

The opinion polls also showed a narrow remain win in 2016. Most people haven't shifted. A narrow win for remain in a new ref wouldn't really resolve anything anyway

 

[Plumdaff]

My other half (remain) voted plaid for first time, switching from labour. Her mum switched from Tory to plaid. Even a bit of that sticking for senedd would fuck labour, can't get a majority as it is. Would fear Plaid going into coalition with the filth under its new leadership though

Yep, Price's recent fond statements about May are troubling. My hope is that these results might light a fire of socialist indycurious radicalism under Drakesford, but let's be honest, that really isn't going to happen.

 

[DexterTCN]

Edinburgh!

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[Mr Retro]

Why would he? This is an election returning MEPs who will be out of a job in five months time.

Because his shitty policy in this election returned very poor results for the party he leads.

 

[Plumdaff]

Alistair Campbell appears to think the country will unite around a pro Remain stance because he says so