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According to the Daily Fail Moeen and Adil may be game for a red ball return 
England Cricket 2022
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Take out Leach, drop Potts to 9 and insert Moeen @ 8 and 4 to 11 doesn’t look so bad.
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Parkinson doesn’t provide the 10 runs offered by Leach.
littlebabyjesus
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Quite a waggly tail there.
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Foakes deserves a run and Bairstow probably needs a bit of a rest post-IPL.
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littlebabyjesus
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Yes, I would stick with Foakes. Moeen Ali would slot very nicely into that team, though.
littlebabyjesus
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He gave up the gloves in tests so that he could improve his batting.
Well hopefully the new coach will put his foot down on stuff like that more than the previous regime. Give him an ultimatum. It's a waste of a space IMO. And make Root bat at 3 too.
littlebabyjesus
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No, McCullum gave up the gloves in tests so that he could improve his batting. By all accounts, Bairstow still wants to keep.
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Relax and play with freedom…or it’s career death!
Ah yes, you're right.
I just think this young Brook kid is pretty unlucky here. I saw him in the T20 blast the other day and he looks the business. Some new blood for that middle order is surely what McCullum would want.
littlebabyjesus
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Bairstow is unusual in the fact that he has a better average when keeping than when not. Normally it's the other way around - McCullum and Sangakkara both gave up the gloves to concentrate on batting and their averages went up significantly, Stewart gave up opening to take the gloves and his average went down significantly. Buttler also averages six runs more per innings as a specialist bat.
Generally speaking giving the gloves to a batter isn't a completely free lunch, which is why I would normally want to pick the best keeper as long as he is a reasonable batter, which I think Foakes is right now. But he still needs to keep impeccably and score some runs.
tbh things haven't changed that much. Taylor was the better keeper than Knott, but Knott's keeping was good enough and his batting much better than Taylor's. Even in the olden days, specialist keepers like Taylor were a rarity. Russell was a much better keeper than anyone else, Stewart got the nod.
Generally speaking giving the gloves to a batter isn't a completely free lunch, which is why I would normally want to pick the best keeper as long as he is a reasonable batter, which I think Foakes is right now. But he still needs to keep impeccably and score some runs.
tbh things haven't changed that much. Taylor was the better keeper than Knott, but Knott's keeping was good enough and his batting much better than Taylor's. Even in the olden days, specialist keepers like Taylor were a rarity. Russell was a much better keeper than anyone else, Stewart got the nod.
littlebabyjesus
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Yeah, and football matches on Boxing Day are really badly attended cos Christmas.
Wankers. They've got four whole days of people not having to take a day off work to go to the match.
Wankers. They've got four whole days of people not having to take a day off work to go to the match.
littlebabyjesus
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Grounds set their own prices, but I can't believe the ECB has no say in the matter.
MCC will blather on about how all the money gets put back into the game, blah, blah, which is probably largely true but misses the point spectacularly re inclusivity.
MCC will blather on about how all the money gets put back into the game, blah, blah, which is probably largely true but misses the point spectacularly re inclusivity.
planetgeli
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Lords is seeing a lot of runs scored this summer, though weirdly everyone is electing to field first (CC) apart from the mighty Sussex who scored nearly 400 and still lost.
Bat first and don't be Sussex. Though in relative terms England are a bit Sussex-y (crap) right now.
Bat first and don't be Sussex. Though in relative terms England are a bit Sussex-y (crap) right now.
They're going to be in the embarrassing position of slashing prices on the day. All very embarrassing. Bit of a letdown for the kiwis too.
planetgeli
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Not embarrassing because I imagine they aren't allowed to do this. They are stuck with empty seats.
They usually slash them on day 5 if a result's unlikely so i assume they're allowed to do it here. they'll be losing shitloads not lease from booze sales.
littlebabyjesus
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Day 5's cheap anyway. £20 tops. It's my usual day out at the test. They make their money from days 1-4. Day 5 is a bonus.
planetgeli
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They've made their bed etc.
Imagine you're stupid enough to pay £170 or whatever. Then at the last minute they halve them.
A) It sets a dangerous precedent. People would stop buying until the last minute "just in case".
B) You've paid £170. Bloke sitting next to you has paid £85. This is for planes and cheap holidays, not prestigious sporting events.
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I think Bairstow is maybe a better example of the issues with combining different formats rather than whether he's keeping or not. He's done well for periods in tests and done exceptionally at times in T20 but he's rarely been able to do both over any sort of extended time period.
I'd agree with Foakes but he does need to be bang on it with his keeping to stay in the team. He's been hyped up as the best in the world but sounds like he didn't keep that well in the Windies. If he's not obviously keeping better than the others they'll move him out pretty quickly.
littlebabyjesus
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The first test at Lord's has usually been a lot cheaper than the second one. This is the first time I've heard of the first test also being exorbitant.
littlebabyjesus
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Dropped two catches. Not sitters, but very catchable. Yeah, he needs to live up to the hype. What he really excels at (and Buttler and Bairstow aren't so clever at) is standing up to the stumps, but in England, that's not such a big deal.
littlebabyjesus
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I'd say that all keepers are all-rounders, and with the exception of Bob Taylor, that's mostly been the case forever. But post-Gilchrist, it's increasingly been the case that teams have looked for a batting all-rounder rather than a keeping all-rounder.
Problem with that can be the same as the problem England had looking for 'the New Botham'. Sometimes he just isn't there.
Problem with that can be the same as the problem England had looking for 'the New Botham'. Sometimes he just isn't there.
