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Plastic Paddy
He’s agreeing with me. Most people do sooner or later.
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He’s agreeing with me. Most people do sooner or later.
As I said yesterday I think what he did after (fuck all) is the telling bit. He threw a Nazi salute accidentally or not but rather than come out and either own it or clarify it he's happy to sit around and take the kudos from Nazis and pals.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Well I suppose it’s possible that one of the world’s most successful businessmen thought to himself “I’m gonna stand on stage and throw some Nazi salutes despite the fact that it could wipe billions of dollars off my net worth, alienate me from huge sectors of the global business community (including many of my erstwhile supporters), be potentially devastating for my businesses, and cause me to be ridiculed and despised by half the world for the rest of my life. But hey! It’ll make me feel goooooood”.
It’s possible. But again there are more likely explanations.
kabbes
First intersubjective, then internalised
People’s behaviour is rarely strategic or otherwise motivated by planned thought ahead of time. Mostly, they do what they do because it feels right, feels normal, feels good at that moment in time. You offer an excluded middle — he planned to do a Nazi salute or he planned to not to one. By doing so, you ignore almost all real experience.
Orang Utan
They cannot crucify you if your hand is in a fist
I know it’s futile to cherish a hope that Musk meets his end at the hands of an angry mob, but I will cling on to it, no matter how unlikely.
I doubt he will die happy though. But what price that unhappiness will wreak.
I doubt he will die happy though. But what price that unhappiness will wreak.
Orang Utan
They cannot crucify you if your hand is in a fist
He has history for doing all of that already
a_chap
When the world came apart, where were you?
He is not "one of the world's most successful businessmen".
He is only "successful" in the same way that Elizabeth Holmes, Sam Bankman-Fried, the head of Enron, etc. were successful.
He's rich and he's a fraudster and liar.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Is it possible Elon has had one of his neuralink chips implanted and its firmware is a bit buggy?
Aliens.
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Plastic Paddy
teuchter
je suis teuchter
The MAGA lot don't think that he did a Nazi salute. They aren't motivated to believe that's what he did.
The people who are motivated to believe that's what happened are the extreme right and those who already hate him.
As I've tried to explain previously, what would be really significant and worrying would be if a large mass of people believe that (a) he did do deliberately perform Nazi salutes and (b) are ok with that. Because that would tell us something about current society in general, rather than something about Musk.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
This would also be an explanation for why he does all the CGI stuff to make it look like SpaceX can launch rockets.
kabbes
First intersubjective, then internalised
You don’t think that undertaking a vast CGI faking strategy might involve a leeetle more advanced planning than doing a salute on the spur of the moment?
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
It's not often i give the Telegraph props for a good article, but this is a decent analysis of Musk's difficulties atm:
The Maga movement is out to get Elon Musk – and so is China
Trump may have to sacrifice the tech billionaire – Washington is too small for two such egoswww.telegraph.co.uk
(https://archive.ph/Rb1Lm)
Yes , interesting article and some themes that could be worth revisiting. Musk really shouldn't be trying to make himself star of the show when there is only one start of the show . Trump previously put out a sarcastic tweet denying that he had “ceded the presidency to Musk,” and also warned about unity . According to Politico "Trump emphasized the need for Republicans to stick together as a party: “The one thing the Democrats have going for them is they stick together,” one of the people familiar with the meeting said, paraphrasing Trump’s message. “No grandstanding — just stick together and deliver and we will win.” Musk's fascist salute dominating the publicity space that Trump would have wanted at his rally and now Musk's public criticism of Trumps AI project might not bode well for him.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Right.
The vast majority of the MAGA movement are not Nazis. They are right-wing conservatives and despite what we read on these boards, that's not Nazi.
Huge swathes of MAGA folk (veterans, Jews) would be absolutely appalled at one of their doyens doing Nazi shit. It's a massive support loser; not a winner.
Why do think it will cost him billions? Trump or anyone MAGA related obviously don't see this as an issue and will only make them love him more.
Really don't think facists need to, or should, be given the benefit of the doubt.
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Plastic Paddy
This is just not correct.
I had no idea that one of his many kids is trans. She's not particularly fond of her father's recent actions according to her social. calling him out over his nazi salutes... and i assume she might have some questions for dad over his new bestie's stance on gender.
He can launch them fine. Maybe he could move into fireworks that display over Turks and Caicos was genuinely beautiful.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
People do stuff with advanced planning all the time because it will "make them feel good".
The point is, it's a rubbish explanation for why someone would do something. It's just a kind of circular reasoning.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
traditional right wing conservatives will wince and go 'eh, not so loud' but ultimately they recognize why this stuff is useful to them. Its not an uncommon alliance.
Oh yeah - we've all seen the outrage...
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
They don't have to be Nazis, they just need to make excuses for and go along with thise that are.
Although for the record I'm in the camp of he was trolling. He didn't make a Nazi salute because he is a nazi with a deep urge to do it, he did it to troll the people who call him one.
danny la rouge
I have a cheese grater in the dishwasher.
Musk is a narcissist who excels at crying out “look at me”. Barely a day goes by on X that he hasn’t said something controversial to insert himself into the news cycle. This is his whole MO. He probably thought Trump was getting quite enough attention.
Fozzie Bear got it right pages ago when he said it’s a waste of time arguing with people about what Musk intended, especially since the leading “doubters” are known contrarians who enjoy the wind-up.
I’m leaving the matter there. Long after I should have done.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Well it's like Teuchter said. The outrage is coming from people who hate him already, and want to believe that he was Seig Heiling. The lack of uproar is likely because most people probably question that's actually what happened.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Yet again, that's a possibility, but is it really more convincing than any of the other possible explanations?
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
they seem convinced in Germany that's what it was and you'd think they'd know
but as danny la rouge says ...
but as danny la rouge says ...
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