Donald Trump, the road that might not lead to the White House!
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taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
I do not use "conspiracy theorist" as a pejorative but quite a lot of them make severe and routine political miscalculations (the left could do more to tackle certain issues and thus pull some of the aggregate of conspiracy tendency towards the political centre).
Anyway, I am curious to see the rate of de-conversion to Trump fandom among some of the conspiracy crowd.
To be fair, some saw through him all along. But quite a few have only pretended they did since he got elected and quite a few are still on side. It can't last. It's bizarre that people who have frothed about the New World Order for so long could continue to back someone who has surrounded himself with militarists, corporatists and nepotist links. The laughable Alex Jones is, presumbably, especially in for a fall. Their Trumpdrool was fuelled by hate for Clinton (often justified) and the stonecold doublethink lie about anti-elitism and blah.
Trump is the model of the fake alternative, hugely promoted by the establishment even before he formerly announced his candidacy.
One of the conspiracists topics is Hegelian dialectics as a tool for mass manipulation, not least because it sounds clever. And here they are walking into exactly such a trap.
Anyway, I am curious to see the rate of de-conversion to Trump fandom among some of the conspiracy crowd.
To be fair, some saw through him all along. But quite a few have only pretended they did since he got elected and quite a few are still on side. It can't last. It's bizarre that people who have frothed about the New World Order for so long could continue to back someone who has surrounded himself with militarists, corporatists and nepotist links. The laughable Alex Jones is, presumbably, especially in for a fall. Their Trumpdrool was fuelled by hate for Clinton (often justified) and the stonecold doublethink lie about anti-elitism and blah.
Trump is the model of the fake alternative, hugely promoted by the establishment even before he formerly announced his candidacy.
One of the conspiracists topics is Hegelian dialectics as a tool for mass manipulation, not least because it sounds clever. And here they are walking into exactly such a trap.
Its just karma -what goes around comes around.Trump getting back what hes dished out in the nomination and election (and all his life probably).Story has been running around for months apparently so the most interesting question is why now and not earlier and what have gulianis friends in the fbi got to say for themselves.
Reckon it will just get worse for old custer reincarnated too.
Reckon it will just get worse for old custer reincarnated too.
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
I have not. I don't have Netflix, but I'm sure it'll pop up somewhere.
(I tend to go low-tech when I'm not working.)
Johnny Canuck3
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They should make it part of the school curriculum.
Just checked: the correct name is The Untold History of the United States, and it first came out on Showtime.
not-bono-ever
meh
i just got their home addresses and company accounts in 10 seconds. fucking hell
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
One good thing about this is it will mean all out war between Trump and the criminally insane McCain . Right from the off . McCains gone full Judas . Thats going to put Trump at full polarisation with the pro war/ PNAC faction . Its personal now as well as political .
And the British involvement in the affair could prove an interesting twist on that special relationship . Interesting times ahead .
As an aside I'm wondering whether the source is any relation to Sir Frank Steele . A spook who was active over here in the early 70 s .
And the British involvement in the affair could prove an interesting twist on that special relationship . Interesting times ahead .
As an aside I'm wondering whether the source is any relation to Sir Frank Steele . A spook who was active over here in the early 70 s .
You must be one of those Russian hackers then
not-bono-ever
meh
Judging by their accounts, 2016 was a decent year
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Probably better than 2017 will be.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
At the level of Russia cultivating him, providing intelligence through intermediaries it almost certainly is true, just as it's likely the Russian state at least had a hand in the hacking. However it seems like there's nothing more concrete than 'sources confirming things', no documentation etc. The pissing thing, less plausible to me - not that Trump isn't reckless enough to hire an army of sex workers even in the middle of Moscow - it was the bit about it being Michelle Obama's bed that looked like somebody was trying a bit too hard with the story. As others have said, it's pretty clear the CIA will have some solid evidence of the noncey/rapey things Trump has done on home soil. If that stuff starts to appear we'll know the game's afoot.
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
Just putting my spin doctors hat on for a minute , but it looks to me like Senator John McCain has willingly allowed himself to be used by foreign intelligence agents to spread fake intel and deliberately undermine the office of Potus . And with that US democracy itself .
The treason angle is the one I'd be taking in response to McCains treachery , were I the irately coiffured one .
The treason angle is the one I'd be taking in response to McCains treachery , were I the irately coiffured one .
gosub
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public domain now so no point
JimW
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I'd the impression that in the past they'd persisted even with things common knowledge internationally. Not that important I realise.
Yuwipi Woman
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I don't know anyone who thinks that. Most of the people I know think Trump's win had more to do with voter suppression and interestingly times leaks than with voting machine hacking.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
That Air Vice Marshall should have told the internets.
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
not-bono-ever
meh
Why couldnt they have dragged Cliff Richard into this? I am confident he is involved
Brixton Hatter
Home is south London mate
There's quite a detailed Wiki page on all the Trump sexual allegations and legal actions etc:
Donald Trump sexual misconduct allegations - Wikipedia
Brixton Hatter
Home is south London mate
Ah, 4chan. That well known provider of accurate, well-evidenced news and comment
hot air baboon
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...this seems slightly incongruous....the Russkies have the intel infrastructure to hack the US establishment but need to employ Trump to get the goods on actual Russians - advice on organising beauty contests & sourcing gold lavatories maybe but covert operations ?
What intelligence was Trump seeking 8 years ago one wonders & what dark arts of espionage could he bring to bear that was beyond the long arm of the Kremlin unless maybe he's installed 2 way mirrors & bugs in all the Trump Tower apartments - in which case you'd think he'd be a bit more circumspect in hotel suites...
What intelligence was Trump seeking 8 years ago one wonders & what dark arts of espionage could he bring to bear that was beyond the long arm of the Kremlin unless maybe he's installed 2 way mirrors & bugs in all the Trump Tower apartments - in which case you'd think he'd be a bit more circumspect in hotel suites...
not-bono-ever
meh
Who paid theD noticed brits to get this document together ?
gosub
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Interesting it was issued at all.
Allegedly initially Republican opponents and then a Democrat donor.
Old steele not one of those avenger wallahs.Oh no that was Steed wasnt it.My card.
Orbis Business Intelligence | Leading Corporate Intelligence and Investigative Consultancy
Business address seems vaguely familiar .Oh no thats Grosvenor Gardens .This spying lark is harder than I thought.
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beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
The next few months/years are going to be like watching a car crash in slow motion. Only at any point one of the pieces of falling wreckage might be arcing towards a big red button.
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