Donald Trump, the road that might not lead to the White House!

[JimW]

What sort of interview process do these people go through.

"So you're Madeleine's daughter are you? Welcome on board."

ETA Not that she's actually related I don't think.

 

[TomUS]

Says CIA lovin' Tom. Doesn't matter how many children they murder they're just a bunch of good guys doing a good job for the good ol' USA aren't they.

I never said they were good guys. I said I believe them when they say Putin tried to influence the election in favor of Trump. And I also say again anyone with any sense, no matter what their background, would endorse Clinton over Trump.

 

[redsquirrel]

"So you're Madeleine's daughter are you? Welcome on board."

ETA Not that she's actually related I don't think.

Did a quick search and didn't find anything, but it's not helped by the fact that she has the same name as Meg Ryan's character in When Harry Met Sally. Someone did ask her the question on her twitter feed but she didn't respond.

 

[J Ed]

I never said they were good guys. I said I believe them when they say Putin tried to influence the election in favor of Trump. And I also say again anyone with any sense, no matter what their background, would endorse Clinton over Trump.

We were originally discussing whether they were throwing their lot in with her, not whether it was a good idea or not to do so.

 

[maomao]

I never said they were good guys. I said I believe them when they say Putin tried to influence the election in favor of Trump. And I also say again anyone with any sense, no matter what their background, would endorse Clinton over Trump.

You said they were a great bunch of guys (and gals) and that they do their job quite well. Their job often includes murdering children so I feel it's important to repeat how you feel about it as often as possible.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

We were originally discussing whether they were throwing their lot in with her, not whether it was a good idea or not to do so.

Its too late for them to put Clinton in. The vote has been certified so it stands regardless of if Trump gets impeached. At this point, you'd go down the list of succession from Trump for the next President if he can't serve.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Its too late for them to put Clinton in. The vote has been certified so it stands regardless of if Trump gets impeached. At this point, you'd go down the list of succession from Trump for the next President if he can't serve.

So... Pence?

I'm genuinely not sure if that's any less bad.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

So... Pence?

I'm genuinely not sure if that's any less bad.

It's absolutely worse. Anyone lower down in the chain of succession is going to be even more evil than Trump. I guess that's one way to insure that you'll survive your four years in office.

 

[rekil]

I see there is a biopic of Jackie Kennedy out. Just sayin etc...

a lot of people faced with a hobsons would spoil the ballot or stay home

My cousin in Boston said there was a kids voting stand at the polling place to teach them about democracy. He objected to this and told his kid that he shouldn't have his political agency reduced to choosing between two numpties so the kid wrote in the transformer 'DEVASTATOR' for prez and I think a pokemon for district judge.

Marxist-Devastatorism ftw.

 

[Old Spark]

As the story continues to unravel the Daily Nazi says an american paper has named the ex mi6 author of the report.


Sir Malcolm Rifkind says it is Russian intelligence's job to dig up dirt on Trump | Daily Mail Online

 

[where to]

Wall Street journal has published name and details of the former Mi6 agent who wrote the briefing notes on Trump. Go there for details. Guido reports an attempt at D Notice has been made to prevent UK press reporting details.

 

[J Ed]

Wall Street journal has published name and details of the former Mi6 agent who wrote the briefing notes on Trump. Go there for details. Guido reports an attempt at D Notice has been made to prevent UK press reporting details.

Whoever it is he can't spell

 

[where to]

This is the most interesting other stuff around:

Can Donald Trump really be a compromised agent of Russian influence? | Coffee House

IMO either the ex Mi6 guy got played big time (e.g. by the Russians - if it's not true, boy who cried wolf every time the press make big allegations re: Trump / Russia dealings) , or it's true and Trump is a Russian stooge, or US and or UK security services (or factions of) are collaborating with a made up story to bring down an elected president.

Not sure there are many of likely scenarios to explain where we are.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Not sure about that. It has a rather lofty view of the press.

Fourth Estate - Wikipedia

 

[hot air baboon]

The whole thing seems like a 2017 Zioniev letter to me.

reminiscent of the toilet sex stuff about Hitler & Geli Raubal

During planning for the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the CIA’s Iraq Operations Group kicked around a number of ideas for discrediting Saddam Hussein in the eyes of his people.

One was to create a video purporting to show the Iraqi dictator having sex with a teenage boy, according to two former CIA officials familiar with the project.

Let’s make a movie: Sex, Spies, and Videotape

The issue of Sukarno’s supposed hand-in-glove relationship with Communists was pushed at every opportunity. The CIA decided to make capital of reports that a good-looking blonde stewardess had been aboard Sukarno’s aircraft everywhere he went during his trip in the Soviet Union and that the same woman had come to Indonesia with Soviet President Kliment Voroshilov and had been seen several times in the company of Sukarno. The idea was that Sukarno’s well-known womanizing had trapped him in the spell of a Soviet female agent. He had succumbed to Soviet control, CIA reports implied, as a result of her influence or blackmail, or both.

Seemingly, the success of this operation inspired CIA officers in Washington to carry the theme one step further. A substantial effort was made to come up with a pornographic film or at least some still photographs that could pass for Sukarno and his Russian girl friend engaged in “his favorite activity”


Indonesia, 1957-1958: War and pornography – William Blum

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

They would use something they have every bit of evidence they need to ruin him if they really wanted to go to war.

If the CIA meant business, it probably wouldn't choose blackmail and slander as weapons of choice.

See: James Forrestal, John Kennedy, Robert Kennedy.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

If the CIA meant business, it probably wouldn't choose blackmail and slander as weapons of choice.

See: James Forrestal, John Kennedy, Robert Kennedy.

That was my point. If the CIA wants rid of a President, they have everything at their disposal to make it so.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I see there is a biopic of Jackie Kennedy out. Just sayin etc...

a lot of people faced with a hobsons would spoil the ballot or stay home

Maybe they did: and here we are, with Donald Trump as US President.

 

[Casually Red]

reminiscent of the toilet sex stuff about Hitler & Geli Raubal

During planning for the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the CIA’s Iraq Operations Group kicked around a number of ideas for discrediting Saddam Hussein in the eyes of his people.

One was to create a video purporting to show the Iraqi dictator having sex with a teenage boy, according to two former CIA officials familiar with the project.

Let’s make a movie: Sex, Spies, and Videotape

The issue of Sukarno’s supposed hand-in-glove relationship with Communists was pushed at every opportunity. The CIA decided to make capital of reports that a good-looking blonde stewardess had been aboard Sukarno’s aircraft everywhere he went during his trip in the Soviet Union and that the same woman had come to Indonesia with Soviet President Kliment Voroshilov and had been seen several times in the company of Sukarno. The idea was that Sukarno’s well-known womanizing had trapped him in the spell of a Soviet female agent. He had succumbed to Soviet control, CIA reports implied, as a result of her influence or blackmail, or both.

Seemingly, the success of this operation inspired CIA officers in Washington to carry the theme one step further. A substantial effort was made to come up with a pornographic film or at least some still photographs that could pass for Sukarno and his Russian girl friend engaged in “his favorite activity”


Indonesia, 1957-1958: War and pornography – William Blum

They did the same to Dr M L King .

 

[Casually Red]

That was my point. If the CIA wants rid of a President, they have everything at their disposal to make it so.

They seem to be delegitimising him first . This looks more like the entree than the desert .

 

[DotCommunist]

Maybe they did: and here we are, with Donald Trump as US President.

and we could have been looking at hillary or even sanders in the big chair. How much shit do you want in your sarnie? pick a lot or a fucklot. Similar to labour votes here, there has always been a 'hold the nose and vote labour' because they aren't the tories, at least they'll pay lip service to the core vote. Untill they stopped doing even that.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

They seem to be delegitimising him first . This looks more like the entree than the desert .

Earlier in the thread, I characterized it as "a warning shot." I suspect he's too arrogant to take the hint.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

It is impossible to know what course American democracy will take under Trump’s presidency. The fears of authoritarianism may prove overblown, and Trump may govern like a normal Republican. But the initial signs are quite concerning. Trump believes he can demolish normal standards of behavior, like the expectation of disclosing tax returns, and placing assets in a blind trust. He has received the full cooperation of his party, which controls Congress and has blocked any investigation or other mechanism for exerting pressure. His dismissal of the news media might simply be a slightly amped-up version of the conservative tradition of media abuse, but it seems to augur something worse. Rather than making snide cracks about liberal bias, Trump escalated into abuse and total delegitimization. Will the abuse of the media be seen as an idiosyncratic episode, or the beginning of something worse to come? We don’t know. His early behavior is consistent with (though far from proof of) the thesis that he is an emerging autocrat. The people have granted him license to steal and hide as he wishes.

Donald Trump to America: I Won, Accountability Is Over

 

[Idris2002]

This business has already done severe (permanent?) damage to the American "brand". If the CIA really take the gloves off that will just make things worse. They'll try to hobble the Monster, rather than go all-out to destroy him.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

That was my point. If the CIA wants rid of a President, they have everything at their disposal to make it so.

They need to be careful of being seen to be meddling in domestic affairs, though. At the very least, they have to be careful about this stuff. So here we have foreign hacks, all the better because they're Russian hacks. That's some safe ground for them to operate on.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

This business has already done severe (permanent?) damage to the American "brand". If the CIA really take the gloves off that will just make things worse. They'll try to hobble the Monster, rather than go all-out to destroy him.

That would probably be better for the long-term health of the average person.

 

[Casually Red]

2 responses to Beryl streeps snooty performance I quite enjoyed .

One from Irish writer Danielle Ryan

Where was Meryl Streep when Obama was prosecuting whistleblowers & bombing weddings?


The other from Conor MacGregors manager John Kavanagh .

 

[littlebabyjesus]

This business has already done severe (permanent?) damage to the American "brand".

In whose eyes?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

That would probably be better for the long-term health of the average person.

That does still seem a distinct possibility to me - Trump will hobble from one personal crisis to another, and he won't get much else done. Agree with you that such an outcome is better for most people. I guess the problem with that is the majorities the Republicans have in both houses. If anything these are more dangerous than Trump.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

That was my point. If the CIA wants rid of a President, they have everything at their disposal to make it so.

If you have Netflix, have you seen Oliver Stone's Secret History of the US? It's worth watching.