'Conspiraloons' in the ascendancy?

[xes]

The media are not "in" on any conspiracy. They write what they are told to write, and that's it. Ok, there are a few publications that are very open with what they write, but on the whole, the media is very controlled. As (and I hate to quote him, cos even I think he's Mentlar Murdock with his dandylion and burdock) Mr Icke says, they are repeaters. Repeating what they've been told to repeat.

 

[Blagsta]

The media are not "in" on any conspiracy. They write what they are told to write, and that's it. Ok, there are a few publications that are very open with what they write, but on the whole, the media is very controlled. As (and I hate to quote him, cos even I think he's Mentlar Murdock with his dandylion and burdock) Mr Icke says, they are repeaters. Repeating what they've been told to repeat.

Who tells them what to write?

 

[xes]

I don't know. To be perfectly honest. But someone does. (IMO natch)

 

[claphamboy]

The whole thing was orchestrated rubbish. It was certainly a 'conspiracy'. As Colin Powell had said just a little earlier, defending the regime of sanctions

wake up claphamboy, it's a murkier world than you think.

I haven't denied there was a 'conspiracy' within government, I am fully awake thank you, I can see a murky world, but unlike you I don't blindly believe in each and every conspiracy theory no matter how barking mad it is.

Of course David Icke had it right when he said that they didn't need inspectors in the first place, if they wanted to know whether Saddam had WMDs they need only check the receipts!

Iraq had in the past admitted to the UN that they had produced biological agents that were unaccounted for, but claimed to have destroyed them, so for the Icke nutter to claim it was as easy as checking receipts is totally wrong.

 

[Blagsta]

I don't know. To be perfectly honest. But someone does. (IMO natch)

 

[xes]

I know, not trusting the media, is just maaaaad, man.

Or is the mad thing, to trust everything you are told by them? I can never quite remember......

 

[Blagsta]

I know, not trusting the media, is just maaaaad, man.

Or is the mad thing, to trust everything you are told by them? I can never quite remember......

What's worse is you don't know why I'm going

 

[xes]

My ignorance on the general purpose of life?

 

[claphamboy]

Exactly.

If one fails to recognize a fairly obvious conspiracy such as that, one will clearly fail to recognize others. Indeed we might even say that one is predisposed to believe what one is told, and thus prejudiced against acknowledging the existence of any conspiracy at all.

As already pointed out, to believe one part of the information available does not prevent you from believing that overall there's a conspiracy in government, which in itself demonstrates one is not predisposed to believe everything one is told.

To believe there's a conspiracy in government does not mean you have to believe the media is in on the conspiracy, as you have claimed, or that every barking mad conspiracy theory must be right.

Free Spirit's certainly shut him up!

What are you banging on about now, you halfwit?

I've seen you make posts like this several times, and frankly it makes you look stupid, just because someone doesn't reply within a time scale that suits you doesn't mean they have been 'shut up', some of us do have a life beyond urban.

 

[trevhagl]

As already pointed out, to believe one part of the information available does not prevent you from believing that overall there's a conspiracy in government, which in itself demonstrates one is not predisposed to believe everything one is told.

To believe there's a conspiracy in government does not mean you have to believe the media is in on the conspiracy, as you have claimed, or that every barking mad conspiracy theory must be right.



What are you banging on about now, you halfwit?

I've seen you make posts like this several times, and frankly it makes you look stupid, just because someone doesn't reply within a time scale that suits you doesn't mean they have been 'shut up', some of us do have a life beyond urban.

yes, some of us can find hours to cut and paste text from the internet to 'prove' the establishment are squeaky clean!!

Like it being called a halfwit when it was YOU who believed what he was told over Iraq

 

[trevhagl]

Which proves what?
That, since time immemorial, the rich and the powerful have got together. That's all. It doesn't prove that there was or must have been a conspiracy over the war.

"deciding who goes to war" was one of the phrases in the book. Everything said in the book is remarkably true to life even a European superstate which is constantly getting nearer and murderer Blair is being touted for presidency, whilst Mandelson (one of those spotted on the way to the Bilderberg meeting) was given a cushy job in Europe, this all happened years after the book was written

 

[Barking_Mad]

Why would anyone want to invade Iraq if Saddam had WMD, and as was claimed, was prepared to use them on a mass scale?

 

[8den]

I don't know. To be perfectly honest. But someone does. (IMO natch)

No, blithely assuming the media is controlled, by dark mysterious forces that you don't know about is fucking retarded.

 

[Barking_Mad]

Chomsky on the media is about as accurate as it gets in my view.

 

[claphamboy]

yes, some of us can find hours to cut and paste text from the internet to 'prove' the establishment are squeaky clean!!

That's the second time you have claimed I spent 'hours' debunking your Diana claims, and I'll repeat in nice big type to make it easiler for you to understand -

it only takes a few seconds to google the inquest notes and a few minutes to read them

Like it being called a halfwit when it was YOU who believed what he was told over Iraq

No, I believed a small part of what was said over Iraq, I didn't consider it that relevant and certainly no justification for war, I considered most of what was claimed to be bullshit, which is why I was against the war.

Do you have trouble reading words on a screen?

The different between you and me, is that I can look at the whole picture and draw a correct conclusion despite getting a small part wrong, which I am happy to admit, whereas you can draw conclusions by taking small parts of information that are wrong and ignore the overall picture in order to arrive at an incorrect conclusion.

 

[trevhagl]

That's the second time you have claimed I spent 'hours' debunking your Diana claims, and I'll repeat in nice big type to make it easiler for you to understand -

it only takes a few seconds to google the inquest notes and a few minutes to read them



No, I believed a small part of what was said over Iraq, I didn't consider it that relevant and certainly no justification for war, I considered most of what was claimed to be bullshit, which is why I was against the war.

Do you have trouble reading words on a screen?



The different between you and me, is that I can look at the whole picture and draw a correct conclusion despite getting a small part wrong, which I am happy to admit, whereas you can draw conclusions by taking small parts of information that are wrong and ignore the overall picture in order to arrive at an incorrect conclusion.

You have made establishment defence your hobby. Beats trainspotting i guess!
I recently picked up Richard Tomlinsons book so i predict more arguments in the future. Care to start your research now?

 

[claphamboy]

You have made establishment defence your hobby.

Accepting there was a conspiracy in the top level of government over the Iraq war is defending the establishment?

Fuck me you are thick.

 

[trevhagl]

Accepting there was a conspiracy in the top level of government over the Iraq war is defending the establishment?

Fuck me you are thick.

so now you're saying the opposite! You said earlier, or suggested, that they weren't lying to us???

 

[claphamboy]

so now you're saying the opposite! You said earlier, or suggested, that they weren't lying to us???

So, you do have trouble reading words on a screen.

 

[xes]

No, blithely assuming the media is controlled, by dark mysterious forces that you don't know about is fucking retarded.

I know you are you said you are so what I am then?

 

[trevhagl]

So, you do have trouble reading words on a screen.

i believe your words were

Well considering the people in the best position to know if Iraq had any WMDs were the UN Inspectors, who couldn’t confirm that all had been destroyed gave weight to what I described earlier as ‘perfectly reasonable to assume’ they still had some.

There were plenty of conflicting reports, which again destroy the idea that the media was involved in a conspiracy, on both sides of the argument, but it was the UN inspectors that were the key to acceptance IMO.

The fact that if they still had WMDs numbers/volumes would be small, the UN inspectors reckoned it would only take a few more months to complete their mission and declare Iraq WMD-free, it was blatantly clear this was no justification for war, and on reflection gave me, and many others, no reason to question the issue any deeper.


ever heard the Killjoys song "Naive" ho ho

 

[8den]

I know you are you said you are so what I am then?

You really would lose a battle of wits with a toddler.

 

[trevhagl]

You really would lose a battle of wits with a toddler.

says the man who KNOWS that Diana's death was an accident

 

[claphamboy]

Do you actually have a point to make trev or are you happy just to act like a twat?

 

[bhamgeezer]

In regards to conspiraloonacy being in acendancy, has anyone seen this program "V". It seems to principally be about evil reptoids coming out of space to subversively take control of the human race. The resemblence to Icke's nutty theories is uncanny

 

[fogbat]

Do you actually have a point to make trev or are you happy just to act like a twat?

He's really not worth engaging with.

When someone revels in their own ignorance, like a pig in its own shit, there's no point even trying.

 

[8den]

In regards to conspiraloonacy being in acendancy, has anyone seen this program "V". It seems to principally be about evil reptoids coming out of space to subversively take control of the human race. The resemblence to Icke's nutty theories is uncanny

You do realise that it's a remake of the 1983 Miniseries "V" ala Battlestar Galactica?

"V" didn't rip off Icke, it's widely believed that Icke ripped off "V".

 

[trevhagl]

Do you actually have a point to make trev or are you happy just to act like a twat?

i just like pissing you all off

 

[ViolentPanda]

"deciding who goes to war" was one of the phrases in the book.

Who do you think does decide who goes to war, Trev?
You and me? Not in this so-called democracy we live in. It is and always has been the power-mongers who decide. The fact that you believe that Ronson has exposed something new and previously un-thought of just shows that you're a bit naive.

Everything said in the book is remarkably true to life...

Because Jon-boy didn't say anything that a person doing a politics A-level couldn't have worked out with access to the right books and the internet.

...even a European superstate which is constantly getting nearer...

Except that it isn't. A unitary currency and some political union doesn't make a "European superstate", which would need, at the very least, full federation of all member-states.

...and murderer Blair is being touted for presidency...

Although not by anyone credible, you may have noticed.
Blair's name was mentioned as a "spoiler", so that other candidates would look like a safe bet compared to phoney tony.

whilst Mandelson (one of those spotted on the way to the Bilderberg meeting) was given a cushy job in Europe, this all happened years after the book was written

Mandelson is also a member of the British-American Project for the Successor Generation and attends their meetings. he's a power-monger who does his business with other power-mongers. I'd be more surprised if our government didn't have connections like this.
Trev, Jon Ronson wrote a pot-boiler based mostly on other people's work

 

[xes]

You really would lose a battle of wits with a toddler.

I know you would you said you would.....ect....