BK
If the government thought victims, their families and citizens of this country were worth more than an "anonymous narrative" for the biggest act of mass murder (bar Lockerbie) in our lifetimes there might not be such a vacuum for "conspiriloons" to fill. You said earlier that we all know what is meant by the term, I accept that but think it can be used too generalistically.
I observe that some of the "non loons" here (not you) are "loon" enough to have done away with the concept of "innocent till proven guilty" and are acting as if the charged is definitely guilty, which could well be sub judice even though they havent been got at for it by ed.
As I said in the opening sentence of the thread, this certainly LOOKS like Ping the C. If he is convicted he can expect the consequences of his grossly insensitive and obstructive actions. He should have talked to the defence team and probably left it at that. It is sad that newspaper editors arent sometimes hauled over the coals in the same way. They love nothing more than a rape or murder to oggle and speculate over, but that seems to be ok.
Nobody is talking about the 3 men on trial being innocent or guilty because THERE IS A (re) TRIAL GOING ON and this BB, the papers and the news outlets are respecting that fact.
The conspiraloons, however are not respecting that fact. For example, on the 'J7 Truth' forum, the name of one of the defendant's contacts, a man who is in jail for terrorism offences has been given out, despite the fact that there is a court order banning the mentioning of his real name - he is referred to as 'Ausman'.
The idiot in the OP has attempted to interfere with the last trial by sending a DVD which claims that the 4 7/7 bombers were innocent patsies and everything the prosecution have said about the events is a lie.
This is particularly stupid because n
ot one of the 3 defendants, or their defence lawyers are questioning the fact that Mohammed Siddique Khan, and his pals Lindsay, Tanweer and Hussein bombed London's transport system on 7/7/05. They accept the fact that their close friends, returned to the UK and made home made bombs after MSK and friends' became radicalised, undertook training including visiting the Pakistan/Afghanistan border where they met other radicals and engaged in combat training. The men on trial also went to Pakistan/Waziristan and engaged in activities with radicals, and accompanied the 7/7 bombers on what the CPS call a reconnaissance trip to London to check out the transport system and pre-plan the 7/7 attacks; it is the defence's POV that this trip to London was innocent and the defendants played no part in attack planning, despite being sympathetic to the radical views of their close pals.
Now you'd think that if their mates 7/7 bombers were inncoent patsies, the 3 men in court might have made much of this fact. But they haven't; they accept entirely that MSK and his 3 pals were suicide bombers, they insist however that they were not part of their plans. The trial continues.
As to the conspiraloony cry of 'release the evidence' ( ref to the CCTV of the bombers) - well, that evidence has indeed been released and anyone attending the trial (as I did) could have seen it played in open court for themselves, along with expert evidence regarding the forensics at the scene, photos of the bomb making factory and much else besides, such as the lead bomber's will. There is, in short, a very great deal of evidence to prove beyond doubt that the 4 men suicide bombed London and intended to do so because of their ideology that they were involved in a war, as soldiers, and that targeting civilians was a legitimate tactic to defend Islam from the Zionist oppressors and Crusading Infidels occupying Muslim lands and preventing the reinstatement of the Caliphate.
There is no evidence that is offered up to support an alternative theory, and the endless pointless noise and heat that is generated does nothing helpful at all, apart from encourage paranoia, and obscure and hinder reasonable questions about the roots of radicalisation, the tactics used in 'the war on terror' and their impact on communities , the fairness of foreign policy, the portrayal of Islam in the media, the behaviour and tactics of of the security services, the politicisation and true extent of the current threat and the relationship between those who represent us and those charged with keeping us safe, and their understanding of the problem of terrorism and what causes it.
In short, conspiracy theorists achieve little and do a great deal of damage to the cause of truth and justice. Anyone asking sensible questions can be lumped in with all the loons, which doesn't help.
And there is a chilling effect and a direct link between the 'ZOG/NWO/Corrupt Western Govts out to oppress us in a terrible conspiracy ' line that extremists use to recruit and the 'ZOG/NWO/Corrupt Govt out to oppress us in a terrible conspiracy' peddled by the conspiraloons. It all feeds into the same Protocols of Zion paranoia that is age old and hateful. And the Israeli army and Government doesn't help, but these people aren't interested in geo-politics, they are interested in demonising Jews and projecting their hate and fear onto whole groups of people - 'Westerners', 'Jewish people', 'sheeple' - whatever - in order to make themselves feel better.
It's great to be an activist and challenge governments and political parties to be better and do better. It's bollocks to do so on the base of a hateful, paranoid, bullshit lie. And that goes for Al Q sympathisers, holocaust deniers and 'truthers' who twist facts and misrepresent events in order to back up their bullshit paranoid ideology.
