Bridgend MP Jamie Wallis arrested

[Yossarian]

Trans but Tory.

A proper dilemma for the Urban woke brigade!

I don't think voters in California, "woke" or not, considered it much of a dilemma when Caitlin Jenner ran for governor as a Trump-supporting Republican.

 

[Red Cat]

Spot on. Although it’s less easy to understand how you can have bad stuff happen throughout your life and remain a Tory cunt though. His politics are fucking wretched.

Why? What difference does this make? Everyone has bad stuff happen.

 

[Red Cat]

I don't care if he's a Tory MP, if he says he was raped, I assume get telling the truth and should be supported like any other victim.

What support?

 

[brogdale]

I think he's deleted the tweet in question, but his timeline is still full of tweets supporting trans rights.

Makes me wonder with it happening so close to this if there's some tory switcheroo to outflank Labour on it or something though

Polling of the backwoodsmen says no:

 

[Combustible]

Fucked off with Johnson making anti-trans jokes at some meeting yesterday, apparently

Presumably Johnson would have been aware of what happened to Wallis then, but being the thunderous cunt that he is, he blithely went ahead anyway.

 

[bendeus]

So the night he crashed isn't the night of the rape if I'm reading the timeline right? Initially thought it was which would make fleeing understandable but look to be a couple of months apart, he's saying it was because of the PTSD?

I'd initially got the impression that it was all on the same night but yes, I think you're probably right and that they were separate incidents. FWIW from what I understand he was wearing women's clothing at the time of the crash, which I guess would be a reason for him to want to flee. Don't think that would cut much ice with the beak, though.

E2A: missed the bit upthread where his sentence was posted. Hadn't realised he'd appeared in court. Seems incredibly lenient so no surprise there.

 

[Ax^]

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bah already covered better by Yossarian

 

[Dom Traynor]

I don't want to defend Wes but I think that is a credit to him to be honest. His first statement doesn't say he can't be supportive of rape victims or indeed people who want to transition.

 

[kenny g]

Do we know if any charges or court proceedings came out of the business with the car crash? If so, we should be careful about commenting.

Am sure a Google search would resolve your worries.

 

[kenny g]

Tories and cars eh Havering Council leader: Drug charge 'was result of a suicide attempt'

 

[not-bono-ever]

^^^ overdose of what ? I dont mean to be unsympathetic or whatevs but there's a bit of a difference between being champers and coked up vs purposeful self harm and suicide.

 

[Dom Traynor]

^^^ overdose of what ? I dont mean to be unsympathetic or whatevs but there's a bit of a difference between being champers and coked up vs purposeful self harm and suicide.

Is there always?

 

[bellaozzydog]

Cynical, Moi?

 

[not-bono-ever]

maybes yes , maybe because tory involved. I dunno. Benefit of the doubt and all that. but yes, cynical.

 

[not-bono-ever]

Is there always?

not always obvs ...

 

[two sheds]

Trans but Tory.

A proper dilemma for the Urban woke brigade!

Tory but Trans.

A proper dilemma for the tory right-on brigade

Trans but Tory; that's surely the greater dilemma, right there.

grrr beaten to it

 

[Leighsw2]

I don't want to defend Wes but I think that is a credit to him to be honest. His first statement doesn't say he can't be supportive of rape victims or indeed people who want to transition.

Oh come on, he knows exactly what he's doing here - this is what centrists call 'triangulation' isn't it? And to that audience. He's an idiot, but he's not stupid.

 

[Dom Traynor]

Oh come on, he knows exactly what he's doing here - this is what centrists call 'triangulation' isn't it? And to that audience. He's an idiot, but he's not stupid.

I don't think what he's doing is stupid or some tricky plot. While I may not agree with his views on trans people ( I don't know what they are at the moment but I can guess) but it doesnt mean he's some monster who wants them to be raped and/or prevented from transitioning or indeed feel scared to come out.

 

[Serene]

The Tory voters are in denial that a Tory could be trans. Some of them are are saying that he said " trains ", and that what he said was that he wanted to be in the transport department.

 

[Cerv]

It also sounds a bit like he may only intend to serve one term in office.

not sure his intentions will factor much into that the way his career's going

 

[Part 2]

Do we know if any charges or court proceedings came out of the business with the car crash? If so, we should be careful about commenting.

He's been charged now.

Tory MP Jamie Wallis charged over car crash

Bridgend MP charged with failing to stop and driving without due care and attention over crash last November

www.theguardian.com

 

[SpackleFrog]

I wonder if an ordinary working class person used this defence to explain why the fled the scene of a crime what would happen and I wonder what will happen to this Tory MP.

Guess we'll find out.

Presumably George Galloway will be along soon to say that it wasn't rape but bad sexual etiquette.

 

[nogojones]

I wonder if an ordinary working class person used this defence to explain why the fled the scene of a crime what would happen and I wonder what will happen to this Tory MP.

Guess we'll find out.

Presumably George Galloway will be along soon to say that it wasn't rape but bad sexual etiquette.

It helps having the money and connections to get good legal representation.

Being charged with driving without due care and attention is a good result over being charged with driving whilst unfit.

 

[platinumsage]

A treatment order and a small fine is what ordinary people seem to get for these sort of offences:

Banned driver fled from the scene of collision

A banned motorist who caused a crash on the A7 fled from the scene after recognising people at the accident scene, Selkirk Sheriff Court was told.

www.thesouthernreporter.co.uk

 

[SpackleFrog]

A treatment order and a small fine is what ordinary people seem to get for these sort of offences:

Banned driver fled from the scene of collision

A banned motorist who caused a crash on the A7 fled from the scene after recognising people at the accident scene, Selkirk Sheriff Court was told.

www.thesouthernreporter.co.uk

Not exactly an identical case - there is no suggestion that he was drunk or on drugs while driving and he wasn't charged with careless or dangerous driving (meaning he wasn't presumed to be at fault) or leaving a vehicle in a dangerous position. He didn't provide a justification for fleeing the scene.

In any case, that's not my point, my point was it will be interesting to see if they gets any leniency based on the PTSD plea.

 

[nogojones]

Given he was involved in a claims management company, I'd be surprised if he didn't know at least some of the magistrates. South Wales is a small place.

My money is on a fine and 6 points max as he recently got three for being over a solid white line (there's maybe a euphemism there as well) as they wouldn't want to ban the cunt.

 

[bendeus]

So he's pleaded not guilty at the initial hearing. I can only assume that as already mentioned he's going to play the victim card hard by means of mitigation as the facts on the ground seem fairly indisputable.

 

[Sasaferrato]

Self ID does not mean that anybody can just decide on a whim what or who they are. Your post is nonsense.

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Care to be wrong about anything else?

 

[PR1Berske]

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Care to be wrong about anything else?

That's a proposed law, one that is yet to be to be debated let alone enacted.

 

[Sasaferrato]

That's a proposed law, one that is yet to be to be debated let alone enacted.

Which is EXACTLY what I said. We all can be wrong, only some of us it seems are willing to admit it.