Charlottesville aftermath discussion thread...

[krtek a houby]

She posted about the irredeemable racism of specifically white working class people which completely contradicts actual lived experience. While pushing a politics which creates the very conditions for fascism to spread.

And of course, communism will win.

You tried the last one when you were busy crying that I am a fascist and racist over Brexit (wrongly assuming I voted) , which even Ruita pulled you up on. Crazy and nasty concerning my partner, who is not white and is disappointingly also not middle class.

Don't drag Rutita into it. Brexit is done,finished. I admitted I'd jumped to the wrong conclusion and it was not a racist vote. That's been addressed.

But no, you had to come here and stick your oar in. And non-white; at the very least,is offensive. But again, your overall violent streak wins out.

Why should your life experience be any more or less valid than CRIs? Do you normally issue proxy threats to folks whenthey disagree?

And I don't give a shit that you're middle class. Good for you.

 

[krtek a houby]

This is just utterly dishonest. The whole last section of this thread has been about the attacks liberals have made on those with (in the broadest sense) socialist politics, you specifically asked for and were given examples of these attacks.

So, it's better to have endless arguments on urban about liberals than confront actual nazi cuntrs? fuck me. Yeah, I get it, liberals are bad. And there would be no racists,nazis or kkk if it wasn't for them. Yes?

 

[seventh bullet]

Don't drag Rutita into it. Brexit is done,finished. I admitted I'd jumped to the wrong conclusion and it was not a racist vote. That's been addressed.

But no, you had to come here and stick your oar in. And non-white; at the very least,is offensive. But again, your overall violent streak wins out.

Why should your life experience be any more or less valid than CRIs? Do you normally issue proxy threats to folks whenthey disagree?

And I don't give a shit that you're middle class. Good for you.

It's your repeated attempts from that very thread to smear me as a racist and fascist. And after wrongly assuming I even voted You have deliberately misread that last post. But that is the way you operate. You are the victim.

An apology way back would have sufficed but you have ploughed on with the same offensive crap for over a year. Thread after thread.

 

[redsquirrel]

So, it's better to have endless arguments on urban about liberals than confront actual nazi cuntrs? fuck me. Yeah, I get it, liberals are bad. And there would be no racists,nazis or kkk if it wasn't for them. Yes?

Jesus Christ. No one has said any such thing.

As for the "endless arguments", (1) you're the one who has been wrongly insisting, against the mountains of evidence that people have provided you with, that liberals are being picked on. You don't want that discussion then fine but you re-started it; (2) one of the main parts of this thread has been a discussion on how liberals don't want people to "confront actual Nazi cunts", or at least don't want physical force to be used in such confrontations.

 

[krtek a houby]

It's your repeated attempts from that very thread to smear me as a racist and fascist. And after wrongly assuming I even voted You have deliberately misread that last post. But that is the way you operate. You are the victim.

An apology way back would have sufficed but you have ploughed on with the same offensive crap for over a year. Thread after thread.

Ah, the "victim" accusation again. You've been doing this across as many threads as possible. That's the way you operate.You came on here with nothing to offer but adhominems.

Brexit was a year ago.More but you just can't let it go.Attacking me rather than straightforward discourse. Fine,if you get off on that.

What's offensive is smearing middle ground people because they don't subscribe to your view. I have said I was wrong about Brexist again and again.

You've never apologised for your violent fantasises. You even try and shift the blame to imaginary children.Fucking hell.

 

[krtek a houby]

Jesus Christ. No one has said any such thing.

As for the "endless arguments", (1) you're the one who has been wrongly insisting, against the mountains of evidence that people have provided you with, that liberals are being picked on. You don't want that discussion then fine but you re-started it; (2) one of the main parts of this thread has been a discussion on how liberals don't want people to "confront actual Nazi cunts", or at least don't want physical force to be used in such confrontations.

Whoa there, if the evil liberals are being picked on, fine. If you feel they are akin to nazis, also fine. Cant they be dealt with after the rather more immediate threatof nazis, though?

And again,I will not condemn antifa and other brave folk who fightthe nazis. It's necessary. Not going to argue there.

 

[redsquirrel]

Whoa there, if the evil liberals are being picked on, fine. If you feel they are akin to nazis, also fine. Cant they be dealt with after the rather more immediate threatof nazis, though?

FFS my post said no such thing.

 

[krtek a houby]

FFS my post said no such thing.

Jesus fucking christ on a bike.

Ask me a question, then. And I'll reply. Because this is a fuckingmerry go round if evert there was.

 

[seventh bullet]

Ah, the "victim" accusation again. You've been doing this across as many threads as possible. That's the way you operate.You came on here with nothing to offer but adhominems.

Brexit was a year ago.More but you just can't let it go.Attacking me rather than straightforward discourse. Fine,if you get off on that.

What's offensive is smearing middle ground people because they don't subscribe to your view. I have said I was wrong about Brexist again and again.

You've never apologised for your violent fantasises. You even try and shift the blame to imaginary children.Fucking hell.

No. Before your recent break you spent a year following me around threads repeating the same crap you wrongly assumed and accused me of. Over and over in your usual passive aggressive way. Like I said an aplogy for that crap would have sufficed. Insinuating racism in my relationship was pretty off don't you think? But no. Carry on. You are being bullied by a fascist. The comment about future communism burying liberals is your latest attempt at continuing the hostilities. Cling to that one for a while.

 

[bemused]

This thread ...

 

[krtek a houby]

No. Before your recent break you spent a year following me around threads repeating the same crap you wrongly assumed and accused me of. Over and over in your usual passive aggressive way. Like I said an aplogy for that crap would have sufficed. Insinuating racism in my relationship was pretty off don't you think? But no. Carry on. You are being bullied by a fascist. The comment about future communism burying liberals is your latest attempt at continuing the hostilities. Cling to that one for a while.

I haven't mention communism. Wtf are you on about?

You spent the best part of a year, following me from thread to thread squeaking about Brexit and wishing I'd fuck off to Japan because only middle class people emigrate, yeah?

You cling to your lies and fantasies. It's about your reach here.

 

[YouSir]

On a side note from the routine arguments... Given all the talk in the aftermath of Charlottesville about the more vocal, banner waving Nazis has there been much said about the militias? I'm not detracting from the need to resist the street presence of the Far Right but at the same time their militia components still seem like a bigger problem in their own way. For one thing people know how to deal with Fascists on the street, be it at big marches or individual acts of intimidation. At the same time though you have active, heavily armed militia groups patrolling the border 'hunting' Mexicans and in some cases actively communicating with border security officials. They're getting an ongoing message that their Minute Men act is, to some degree, actually legitimate and should be carried on. Plus some of them at least seem smart enough to not go around waving Swastikas in the air and shouting 'white pride', which has got to be more appealing to some people who're turning a blind eye despite the fact that these groups are a long long way from being clean. Harder for any community or political groups to oppose as well, short of going out to mirror their patrols which would be a grim prospect. Plus the people they're liable to be picking on are the least likely to be able to vocally organise given their potential status.

Any news/thoughts?

 

[krtek a houby]

On a side note from the routine arguments... Given all the talk in the aftermath of Charlottesville about the more vocal, banner waving Nazis has there been much said about the militias? I'm not detracting from the need to resist the street presence of the Far Right but at the same time their militia components still seem like a bigger problem in their own way. For one thing people know how to deal with Fascists on the street, be it at big marches or individual acts of intimidation. At the same time though you have active, heavily armed militia groups patrolling the border 'hunting' Mexicans and in some cases actively communicating with border security officials. They're getting an ongoing message that their Minute Men act is, to some degree, actually legitimate and should be carried on. Plus some of them at least seem smart enough to not go around waving Swastikas in the air and shouting 'white pride', which has got to be more appealing to some people who're turning a blind eye despite the fact that these groups are a long long way from being clean. Harder for any community or political groups to oppose as well, short of going out to mirror their patrols which would be a grim prospect. Plus the people they're liable to be picking on are the least likely to be able to vocally organise given their potential status.

Any news/thoughts?

I think there's a movement in the southern states; an odd combination of anti-racism, pro gun grassroots who are maybe not militia but some kind of counter group trying to put out a message that appeals to the gun crowd but shows up racism as pointless and divisive...

 

[seventh bullet]

You wouldn't like Redneck Revolt. Too red.

 

[krtek a houby]

You wouldn't like Redneck Revolt. Too red.

There you go again. Making assumptions and snide asides. If I said you'd like them because they have guns that would be just as stupid.

 

[YouSir]

I think there's a movement in the southern states; an odd combination of anti-racism, pro gun grassroots who are maybe not militia but some kind of counter group trying to put out a message that appeals to the gun crowd but shows up racism as pointless and divisive...

Aye, Redneck Revolt, heard of them. Not much they can do to control the militias though, well as I hope they do. Suppose they can draw off some support perhaps, certainly having a group appealing to the same groups (gun lovers, ex-military etc) is no bad thing. Can't imagine border security carrying on turning a blind eye if a load of armed revolutionaries from the Left started patrolling around.

 

[andysays]

But liberalism is opposed to socialism, that's the point. Your faux naïveté isn't fooling anyone.

I didn't say that, I said that the group was not liberal regardless of the politics of individual members.

I'm actually coming to the conclusion that there's nothing faux about krtek a houby's naivete etc.

I really do think he's simply not capable (whether for reasons of intellectual ability, emotional issues, personal background etc) of understanding and commenting coherently on the sort of issues that are discussed in the Politics Forum, even though you and others have attempted to explain, repeatedly and at some length, subjects which most of the rest of us have at least a basic understanding and experience of (and in many cases a great deal more than that).

 

[seventh bullet]

There you go again. Making assumptions and snide asides. If I said you'd like them because they have guns that would be just as stupid.

They haven't abolished class in their minds yet, like you have. Still dealing with the concrete stuff. That divides and potentially unites.

 

[krtek a houby]

Aye, Redneck Revolt, heard of them. Not much they can do to control the militias though, well as I hope they do. Suppose they can draw off some support perhaps, certainly having a group appealing to the same groups (gun lovers, ex-military etc) is no bad thing. Can't imagine border security carrying on turning a blind eye if a load of armed revolutionaries from the Left started patrolling around.

It's odd. The militias have been tolerated forever, exepting for when they step out of line. But you're right, if it was armed left militia, it would be total crackdown.

Bizarre country. And yet, there's so much to admire about it.

 

[krtek a houby]

They haven't abolished class in their minds yet, like you have. Still dealing with the concrete stuff. That divides and potentially unites.

I've abolished class in my mind, insofar as I won't be drawn into this corner of identity politics. Not willingly,anyways. And again with the assumptions; concrete.

You wouldn't know concrete if it was being mixed in front of your face. With a big sign and arrow saying "CONCRETE".

 

[seventh bullet]

Oh dear.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

There you go again. Making assumptions and snide asides. If I said you'd like them because they have guns that would be just as stupid.

What is your opinion of the group Redneck Revolt, Krtek?

 

[redsquirrel]

Jesus fucking christ on a bike.

Ask me a question, then. And I'll reply. Because this is a fuckingmerry go round if evert there was.

I don't want to ask you a question. You asked me a load of questions (ones based on false readings of what I've posted).

I've been making the same point consistently for three pages now, the only reason this is a merry-go-round is because you either don't read posts or don't understand them.

 

[krtek a houby]

What is your opinion of the group Redneck Revolt, Krtek?

Onlyheard about them recently but it's refreshing to see a movement unafraid to shine some light on working class left politics in the US. Something that is usually pretty much ignored. Or buried in the past. I've been reading up on American history lately, wobblies, Paul Robeson, peonage post civil war. It's all very fascinating and I wish I could remember it all.

 

[krtek a houby]

I don't want to ask you a question. You asked me a load of questions (ones based on false readings of what I've posted).

I've been making the same point consistently for three pages now, the only reason this is a merry-go-round is because you either don't read posts or don't understand them.

I am reading your posts and I am trying to understand them as best as I can. I am not as capable of intepreting the cut and thrust as much as I once could and I do feel either by accident or otherwise that there's a wee bit of changing the goalposts.

But thankyou for perservering and I'm sorry if you feel you're banging your head off a brick wall. I wish I could communicate better because it's not all stupid in my head. It just gets jumbled and when I feel under attack, it get's more jumbled.

Back to antifa and I will say yet again - I can only commend their actions in Charlottsville and I wish they weren't being demonised.

 

[Pickman's model]

He's just gently settling back into his old routines.

like a comfy auld chair

 

[Athos]

I've abolished class in my mind, insofar as I won't be drawn into this corner of identity politics.

I was going to reply that this is the most stupid thing you've posted here recently (no mean feat). But, it might actually be the most stupid thing anyone has ever posted anywhere. You are a fucking idiot.

 

[mojo pixy]

I've abolished class in my mind, insofar as I won't be drawn into this corner of identity politics..

Class isn't part of identity politics. Class is not an identity, class is a social function.

At least the kind of class people cling to as an identity isn't the same thing as the kind of class you end up stuck in by virtue of the job you do.

I believe class as discussed in these forums tends to be the functional kind, rather than the identity kind.

ETA I wrote virtually the same thing, in a post on another thread, earlier in the year. I'd hate to have to do it again, but I will if necessary.

 

[CRI]

Aaargh.

Ok, let's reset.

I don't see things the same way you do. But I'm not the fucking enemy. You can't browbeat people if they don't have the same view as you.Unless they're nazis,of course.

I wish people here would stop these squabbles and go out and use their arguments against people who are actual nazis, rather than liberal boogiemen. Bad or not bad.

I think I've muted everyone you're "talking with," but I can guess, and I wouldn't bother trying to debate. Wasted too much time at it myself. Rigid views and a passionate hatred of "liberals" is something they share with right wing Trump fans. Oh, and despite growing up white and working class in a rural, white, working class community, apparently I don't know jack shit about white, working class Americans and shouldn't be on the boards.

Watch what happens when they sniff I've popped back on the thread, bless.

 

[krtek a houby]

I was going to reply that this is the most stupid thing you've posted here recently (no mean feat). But, it might actually be the most stupid thing anyone has ever posted anywhere. You are a fucking idiot.

Comingfrom you; I'm honored.