Charlottesville aftermath discussion thread...

[killer b]

well, not necessarily. but it doesn't take a genius to figure out why an unhinged self-publicist wanting to capitalise on the anti-establishment right-wing vote might hitch himself onto that particular horse.

 

[killer b]

Oh, you think he called the rally?​

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

well, not necessarily. but it doesn't take a genius to figure out why an unhinged self-publicist wanting to capitalise on the anti-establishment right-wing vote might hitch himself onto that particular horse.

But the horse wasn't neo-Nazi.

 

[rekil]

They are nothing but a recruitment tool

You're the tool.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

Oh, you think he called the rally?​

No.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

You're the tool.

Great response.

 

[Idris2002]

Does one have to be a Nazi to be called a Nazi though? And in what way is this Shiva bloke so beyond the pale that it requires the noble intervention of Antifa?

I'm sorry but someone has fucked up royally here. Antifa are a liability. They are nothing but a recruitment tool for the right wing at this point.

Tu Stultus Es.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Does one have to be a Nazi to be called a Nazi though? And in what way is this Shiva bloke so beyond the pale that it requires the noble intervention of Antifa?

I'm sorry but someone has fucked up royally here. Antifa are a liability. They are nothing but a recruitment tool for the right wing at this point.

In that clip, he sets up a false dichotomy, though. The 'us' is the free-speech patriots, opposed to the 'them' who are 'the real racists': Clinton, Biden, Carter, Truman, LBJ, etc. Seems a strawman position, no? Who has denied that that bunch of wankers are/were racists? Whose platform depends on them not being racists? He's actually just reduced this to 'either you're a republican or you're a democrat'; if you oppose us, you must be a democrat, and look, all these democrats are racists.

It's the kind of shit that, whenever it is tried on here, rightly gets immediately shot down.

 

[killer b]

Does one have to be a Nazi to be called a Nazi though? And in what way is this Shiva bloke so beyond the pale that it requires the noble intervention of Antifa?

He isn't, as far as I know. The other people he was sharing the platform with are though.

from here

The list includes Joe Biggs, who worked until recently for Infowars, the website founded by conspiracy theorist Alex Jones; and Kyle Chapman, known on the internet as “Based Stickman” and founder of the Fraternal Order of Alt-Knights, which is described by the Southern Poverty Law Center as a “new Alt-Right group of street fighters.”

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

Tu Stultus Es.

That's very clever of you.

Got to admit I'm growing seriously disillusioned with the so-called 'left' these days. You should be teaming up with free speech advocates against fascists. They'd be a natural ally.

But no, if someone doesn't have exactly the same beliefs as you, they need to be lumped in as no better than fascists themselves. Fuck that.

 

[killer b]

How about free speech advocates who share platforms with fascists? Should we be teaming up with them? You total weapon.

 

[killer b]

so-called 'left'

 

[littlebabyjesus]

That's very clever of you.

Got to admit I'm growing seriously disillusioned with the so-called 'left' these days. You should be teaming up with free speech advocates against fascists. They'd be a natural ally.

But no, if someone doesn't have exactly the same beliefs as you, they need to be lumped in as no better than fascists themselves. Fuck that.

In what way is free speech under attack in the US? What makes this an issue in the US worthy of big marches?

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

He isn't, as far as I know. The other people he was sharing the platform with are though.

from here

The list includes Joe Biggs, who worked until recently for Infowars, the website founded by conspiracy theorist Alex Jones; and Kyle Chapman, known on the internet as “Based Stickman” and founder of the Fraternal Order of Alt-Knights, which is described by the Southern Poverty Law Center as a “new Alt-Right group of street fighters.”

Oh well if it's the SP "Majid Nawaaz is a hate preacher" LC are saying it, then it must be true!

 

[killer b]

Oh well if it's the SP "Majid Nawaaz is a hate preacher" LC are saying it, then it must be true!

Sure, I expect the Fraternal Order of Alt-Knights is just a free speech advocacy organisation.

You can google them and find out all about their advocacy. The SPLC seem to have them about right tbh.

 

[killer b]

I'm not sure what's going on here ItWillNeverWork - you're either not checking anything out properly, or are are intentionally ignoring it for some reason or the other. What gives?

 

[JimW]

You might as well defend the DPRK from attack in the name of democracy as imagine that shower of twats are martyrs for free speech on their own say so.

 

[killer b]

I mean, they announce their formation with this graphic - an inversion of the Good Night White Pride graphic that's been about for years. What do you think they're trying to say with such a reference?

 

[killer b]

Either way, I'm not sure if the so-called left would be welcomed if they attempted to team up with these doughty defenders of free speech.

 

[Streathamite]

But the horse wasn't neo-Nazi.

To paraphrase a fave old neocon trope:
If it looks like a nazihorse....
if it walks like a nazihorse...
If it neighs, whinnies ands bucks like a nazihorse...
It's a nazihorse.

or, to continue the torturing of metaphors;
yer sleeps with dogs, yer gets fleas.

 

[Pickman's model]

I mean, they announce their formation with this graphic - an inversion of the Good Night White Pride graphic that's been about for years. What do you think they're trying to say with such a reference?

that they're fascists who use selfie-sticks as weapons

 

[Streathamite]

That's very clever of you.

Got to admit I'm growing seriously disillusioned with the so-called 'left' these days. You should be teaming up with free speech advocates against fascists. They'd be a natural ally.

But no, if someone doesn't have exactly the same beliefs as you, they need to be lumped in as no better than fascists themselves. Fuck that.

Utter BS, or seriously seriously deluded (like most libreals, I guess!): the alt right will pose as persecuted heroes of free speech, and victims of the PC Elite, all day long, as cover for advancing their insidious agenda - stealing left clothes is second nature to them. We should avoid unwittingly abetting them in that.

 

[8den]

And yet, and yet, you still spout the following with a straight face:

Drawing moral equivalence between a fascist and a direct-action anti-fascist is a cunt's trick of the worst order and plays directly into the hands of the far right. Good Job, Hertford.

Neo Nazi Militia in Charlottevilles.

Antifa on the same day.

You really think there's equivalency between the Neo Nazis with assault weapons and AntiFa?

 

[Treacle Toes]

Well...well, well.

U.S. votes against anti-Nazi resolution at U.N.

 

[Pickman's model]

Well...well, well.

U.S. votes against anti-Nazi resolution at U.N.

Palau Ukraine and USA

Where the fuck is Palau?

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Palau Ukraine and USA

Where the fuck is Palau?

Island chain in Micronesia. Think scuba diving and white sandy beaches.

<edited to add>
GlobeTrekker did a nice series about it.

 

[seventh bullet]

Neo Nazi Militia in Charlottevilles.

Antifa on the same day.

You really think there's equivalency between the Neo Nazis with assault weapons and AntiFa?

Who are you directing that post at?

 

[Nylock]

Neo Nazi Militia in Charlottevilles.

Antifa on the same day.

You really think there's equivalency between the Neo Nazis with assault weapons and AntiFa?

Is that directed at me?

 

[8den]

Is that directed at me?

Apologies it was meant to be for Andrew Hertford

 

[Nylock]

Fair enough