Calais: Migration and the UK Border

[ItWillNeverWork]

What an embittered little shit you are.

 

[free spirit]

Who is blaming them? I'm certainly not. But as far as we should be concerned in the UK, they are economic migrants because they aren't here because they are in fear of their lives on continental Europe.

You raise a valid point, but to me it makes it fairly clear that the answer should be that once an asylum seeker is granted refugee status within any EU country, they should then have freedom of movement across the EU.

The current situation is untenable, as the EU we need to take collective responsibility though, otherwise those countries who just happen to border countries that have collapsed will end up being overwhelmed with refugee numbers, whereas if they're spread around the EU then it shouldn't cause significant problems.

 

[Spirit Of Slade]

What an embittered little shit you are.

Yep, you can bet your bottom dollar I'm an embittered little shit!

 

[SpookyFrank]

Close the borders

No money for asylum seekers
No money for foreign aid

The country is fucking broke!

You're a cunt.

 

[SpookyFrank]

The current situation is untenable, as the EU we need to take collective responsibility though, otherwise those countries who just happen to border countries that have collapsed will end up being overwhelmed with refugee numbers, whereas if they're spread around the EU then it shouldn't cause significant problems.

We could also stop supporting the fucked up regimes that cause all these wars in the first place.

 

[Spirit Of Slade]

You raise a valid point, but to me it makes it fairly clear that the answer should be that once an asylum seeker is granted refugee status within any EU country, they should then have freedom of movement across the EU.

The current situation is untenable, as the EU we need to take collective responsibility though, otherwise those countries who just happen to border countries that have collapsed will end up being overwhelmed with refugee numbers, whereas if they're spread around the EU then it shouldn't cause significant problems.

I would imagine why they aren't, is the whole thing is open to corruption if they were. It would become very easy for bent officials in gateway countries to simply take a backhander, moving the refugee on.

 

[Orang Utan]

No. I'm more for breaking up the banks, stopping the wars and having the fucking Queen beg for money by offering blow jobs to people on the steps of Clapham Common tube station, than a fudge "fix" of having unfettered immigration that helps the rich rather than normal working class people.

Close the borders. Turn Buck Palace into a place for homeless immigrants etc.

Get the aristocracy, strip them of their land and assets and give the lot away to people in Calais for all I care.

I'm just fucked off to the back teeth of the country "borrowing" money from rich banking families that didn't have the money in the first place, for the debt to be paid back in real money from the country's poor.

No money for asylum seekers
No money for Trident
No money for foreign aid

The country is fucking broke!

Oh dear. Fuck everyone else. I'm alright jack. Just help out your own.
Kindly fuck off to UKIP

 

[Spirit Of Slade]

You're a cunt.

That's human nature isn't it?

We're never interested in what unites us...it's that 1% that we disagree on that we get badly distracted by.

 

[Orang Utan]

That's human nature isn't it?

We're never interested in what unites us...it's that 1% that we disagree on that we get badly distracted by.

Hmm, the whole thread was in part designed (correct me if I'm wrong, SpookyFrank ) to show that the refugees in the jungles are actually just like us and that racism, fear of immigration and propaganda conspire to make them differrent, alien and to be feared

 

[Spirit Of Slade]

Oh dear. Fuck everyone else. I'm alright jack. Just help out your own.
Kindly fuck off to UKIP

I can't help out anyone. I don't have any money.

If you found out your neighbour was broke, would you borrow money to GIVE to your neighbour?

Of course you wouldn't.

But you think it's morally just, to tax poor people in this country who haven't got pot to piss in, to borrow money from rich bankers, for poor people to pay back using real money they generated through blood sweat and tears - to help out people who were displaced, by a war, that rich bankers financed.

Sorry, but I don't want the whole thing to go full circle with the bankers laughing all the way to the erh...bank!

UKIP? LOL. I don't think so. Thankfully most working class people have worked out what UKIP is all about - the fucking bankers party!

 

[goldenecitrone]

That's human nature isn't it?

We're never interested in what unites us...it's that 1% that we disagree on that we get badly distracted by.

Hardly surprising when that 1% involves cunting off poor, displaced people who are desparate for our help.

 

[Spirit Of Slade]

Hmm, the whole thread was in part designed (correct me if I'm wrong, SpookyFrank ) to show that the refugees in the jungles are actually just like us and that racism, fear of immigration and propaganda conspire to make them differrent, alien and to be feared

Go and visit a building site and ask the natives + 2nd generation immigrants that work there, what they fear and it won't tally up with what you're mooting about.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Hmm, the whole thread was in part designed (correct me if I'm wrong, SpookyFrank ) to show that the refugees in the jungles are actually just like us and that racism, fear of immigration and propaganda conspire to make them differrent, alien and to be feared

Amongst other things yes. This situation has been created by our governments in what we are told is our best interest. People should know what is being done in their name.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Hardly surprising when that 1% involves cunting off poor, displaced people who are desparate for our help.

It's rather more than 1% from where I'm standing.

 

[Spirit Of Slade]

Hardly surprising when that 1% involves cunting off poor, displaced people who are desparate for our help.

Who's cunting off the poor?

You run around accusing people of creating a climate of fear, when you want to be looking at the hysteria that is coming from your own fingertips & keyboard.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Go and visit a building site and ask the natives + 2nd generation immigrants that work there, what they fear and it won't tally up with what you're mooting about.

You know what everyone thinks about everything don't you? That's quite a talent.

Some fears are baseless, like my fear of receptionists. Other fears are manufactured, like your fear of immigrants somehow bankrupting a country which has depended on migration for its prosperity for centuries.

 

[Spirit Of Slade]

Hmm, the whole thread was in part designed (correct me if I'm wrong, SpookyFrank ) to show that the refugees in the jungles are actually just like us and that racism, fear of immigration and propaganda conspire to make them differrent, alien and to be feared

Also, I don't think I've read something so patronising in a long time.

Of course refugees are just like us!

 

[Orang Utan]

Fuck off

 

[Spirit Of Slade]

You know what everyone thinks about everything don't you? That's quite a talent.

Some fears are baseless, like my fear of receptionists. Other fears are manufactured, like your fear of immigrants somehow bankrupting a country which has depended on migration for its prosperity for centuries.

You can't kill that which is already dead, just as you can't bankrupt a country that is already bankrupt.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Of course refugees are just like us!

So why don't you want any of them living in the same country as you?

 

[Spirit Of Slade]

Fuck off

I'll be coming down to London from up North soon. Can I not pop around to yours and discuss it all over a cup of tea?

 

[Orang Utan]

I'll be coming down to London from up North soon. Can I not pop around to yours and discuss it all over a cup of tea?

I'd rather not have delusional prejudiced selfish idiots round for tea

 

[SpookyFrank]

This is all my fault. I allowed myself to think, 'this thread is going pretty well'. Now look what's happened

 

[Spirit Of Slade]

So why don't you want any of them living in the same country as you?

It's not them I fear, actually, it's the deadly fucking corrupt politicians and people you like you. I'm sure you have different motives than the Westminster set...I'm sure you're heart is in the right place, but you're bloody dangerous!

 

[Spirit Of Slade]

I'd rather not have delusional prejudiced selfish idiots round for tea

You're a natural aren't you? Sloganeering without even a thought going into it...tell me...how the fuck am I being prejudiced?

 

[Orang Utan]

This is all my fault. I allowed myself to think, 'this thread is going pretty well'. Now look what's happened

Apologies. Should not be rising to such facile provocation.

 

[Spirit Of Slade]

This is all my fault. I allowed myself to think, 'this thread is going pretty well'. Now look what's happened

I'm a gentleman. I'll fuck off and leave you to talk about the welfare of refugees in Calais. It's not something I'm passionate about. I can't afford to be and there's fuck all difference I'll make.

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[SpookyFrank]

e2a: Nah, fuck it.

 

[Orang Utan]

You're a natural aren't you? Sloganeering without even a thought going into it...tell me...how the fuck am I being prejudiced?

You're the one who wants to stop foreign aid and close the borders. The mark of a fearful racist who doesn't want to help anyone but their own.

 

[Spirit Of Slade]

You're the one who wants to stop foreign aid and close the borders. The mark of a fearful racist who doesn't want to help anyone but their own.

You're being simplistic. We just don't have the money. I could give you an endless list of causes this country can't afford.