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Calais: Migration and the UK Border

Spirit Of Slade said:
Some people will NEVER be happy. Some claim that we've had 8 million immigrants since the last Labour government. I don't know if that is true or not, nor do I care. But I tell you what. If we had double what we've actually had, people would still be complaining that this is a racist, selfish country not doing it's fair share etc.
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8 million since the start of the last labour gov in 97 sounds about right, BUT that's total immigration, not net immigration. Ie it'd take no account of all those who've left the UK within that period, which will also include a lot of the people who came in, and many of thsoe people will have been counted coming in to the UK several times.

Total net immigration will be more like 3.2 million in that 17 year period
 
Spirit Of Slade said:
With all due respect in the world. Please don't take this question the wrong way, bear with me like...

...do you care about all refugees or just the Syrian ones?

...I was going to close off my post here, but I'll get to the point. It isn't just Syrians that want to get into those 5 countries.

But anyway, it's Israel that should be taking in all of those refugees seeing as they were so eager topple the Syrian regime by providing any random twat in the country sporting combat fatigues with money and weapons.
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"It isn't just Syrians that want to get into those 5 countries" - and? (Oh I think I know where you're going with this but you should say it.)
 
cynicaleconomy said:
Which is why we need a more steeply progressive tax system. We all agree on this.
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No we don't. If we nationalised the banks, put the printing of money under government control and away from private banking then the government could actually make so much money, we wouldn't need to tax many people for anything.

But the private bankers won't like that - they'll use whatever means at their disposal to destabalize the country.
 
free spirit said:
8 million since the start of the last labour gov in 97 sounds about right, BUT that's total immigration, not net immigration. Ie it'd take no account of all those who've left the UK within that period, which will also include a lot of the people who came in, and many of thsoe people will have been counted coming in to the UK several times.

Total net immigration will be more like 3.2 million in that 17 year period
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You'll love UKIP then...all they care about is net migration. Anyway....as I said, I don't are about the 8 million figure so much as I care about the quality of life of working class folk already here in this country.
 
Spirit Of Slade said:
You'll love UKIP then...all they care about is net migration. Anyway....as I said, I don't are about the 8 million figure so much as I care about the quality of life of working class folk already here in this country.
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Why just this country? Don't you care about the rest?
 
Orang Utan said:
Why just this country? Don't you care about the rest?
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Because this country can't even help itself. It's going backwards not forwards.

It would be delusional arrogance to think that our own country can help out the rest of the world and solve the worlds problems.

Many of our elderly are dying undignified deaths in the cold. When I have the means to help anyone, I'll help them.

I maintain, it's plain wrong, for a pack of millionaire tax dodging pack of jackels in Westminister to tax the poor to borrow from banks to give away money on non-domestic causes, when most of the money doesn't even benefit the target demographic.

I don't want my country poking it's nose into the business of other counties, including wars etc. If every country did that, we would only have a fraction of the refugess and we'd all be a lot happier.
 
Spirit Of Slade said:
Because this country can't even help itself. It's going backwards not forwards.

It would be delusional arrogance to think that our own country can help out the rest of the world and solve the worlds problems.

Many of our elderly are dying undignified deaths in the cold. When I have the means to help anyone, I'll help them.

I maintain, it's plain wrong, for a pack of millionaire tax dodging pack of jackels in Westminister to tax the poor to borrow from banks to give away money on non-domestic causes, when most of the money doesn't even benefit the target demographic.

I don't want my country poking it's nose into the business of other counties, including wars etc. If every country did that, we would only have a fraction of the refugess and we'd all be a lot happier.
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The flip side being that

1 - The rest of Europe would have been under nazi military rule for the last 70 years or so if we'd chosen to look away and not get involved.

2 - We'd have been under nazi rule ourselves if the large part of the world that formed the rest of the empire hadn't decided to join us in that fight.

Fucking disgraceful to turn our backs on the rest of the world, many of whom who chose britain do so for historic reasons, just because you and the government misunderstand economics and think the UK is broke.
 
Fight the government policies in the UK that are causing abject misery to millions by all means, but not by blaming immigrants, or fighting over the scraps of money they costing UK government funding (actually most research concludes that immigration is a net financial benefit to the UK and UK government coffers).
 
For fucks sake Spirit, your interests are not threatened by asylum seekers. Your interests are actively damaged now by the policies of successive governments to de-fund public services which you and me benefit from. You're ignoring the real culprits and blaming those who are even less fortunate than yourself. You're blaming the victims of this system at the behest of those in powerful positions.
 
free spirit said:
The flip side being that

1 - The rest of Europe would have been under nazi military rule for the last 70 years or so if we'd chosen to look away and not get involved.

2 - We'd have been under nazi rule ourselves if the large part of the world that formed the rest of the empire hadn't decided to join us in that fight.

Fucking disgraceful to turn our backs on the rest of the world, many of whom who chose britain do so for historic reasons, just because you and the government misunderstand economics and think the UK is broke.
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*cough* WW1 *cough*
 
free spirit said:
Fight the government policies in the UK that are causing abject misery to millions by all means, but not by blaming immigrants, or fighting over the scraps of money they costing UK government funding (actually most research concludes that immigration is a net financial benefit to the UK and UK government coffers).
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How are they immigrants if they don't get into the UK?
 
Spirit Of Slade said:
If WW1 didn't happen, then Hitler would not have risen to power.

Anyone who was against the Iraq war, knew Saddam Hussein was a cunt, but had we not gotten into that, then IS / ISIS would probably not exist today.
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Well, ok I suppose there is that with WW1.

And yes you'll find the vast majority on this board were firmly against the war in Iraq at the time, and since.

But that war happened, as has the aftermath, and those who're trying to escape from it (and similar situations) deserve our assistance as part of an international undertaking to assist refugees fleeing such situations.
 
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