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Calais: Migration and the UK Border

More accounts of police violence against migrants here:

https://calaismigrantsolidarity.wordpress.com/2015/01/07/police-violence/

In recent days I have heard disturbing reports of a gang-related conflict spilling over into the jungles, with a gang of men using metal bars to attack tents with sleeping people inside. These attacks were targetted at a specific ethnic group, seemingly in revenge for the actions of one of the gangs of people traffickers.

Again, these gangs only exist because of UK/French/EU border control policies. Closing borders to certain people doesn't prevent them from ultimately reaching the UK, it just puts them at far greater risk and leaves their fate in the hands of gangsters and police who seem determined to continually outdo each other with their cruelty and inhumanity. If you're a UK taxpayer then you are funding both the gangsters with uniforms and those without.
 
SpookyFrank said:
More accounts of police violence against migrants here:

https://calaismigrantsolidarity.wordpress.com/2015/01/07/police-violence/

In recent days I have heard disturbing reports of a gang-related conflict spilling over into the jungles, with a gang of men using metal bars to attack tents with sleeping people inside. These attacks were targetted at a specific ethnic group, seemingly in revenge for the actions of one of the gangs of people traffickers.

Again, these gangs only exist because of UK/French/EU border control policies. Closing borders to certain people doesn't prevent them from ultimately reaching the UK, it just puts them at far greater risk and leaves their fate in the hands of gangsters and police who seem determined to continually outdo each other with their cruelty and inhumanity. If you're a UK taxpayer then you are funding both the gangsters with uniforms and those without.
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Outragous isn't it, gangsters operating in Calais?...surely there's loads of decent working class neighbourhoods in the UK they could turn into crime ridden no go areas overnight?
 
Reminds me of the movie: Children of men

http://www.theguardian.com/film/2006/sep/22/juliannemoore.thriller

Britain's relative calm and prosperity have attracted waves of illegal immigrants; it is the responsibility of the UK's Homeland Security department to pen them into vast mesh-fenced internment camps, the biggest of which is a gigantic caged shanty-town in Bexhill - a very English Guantanamo-on-Sea.
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ddraig said:
Where are these 'no go' areas?
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Quite. They don't actually exist unless you're a copper or a journo.
Brixton was long touted as a "no-go" area in general, with parts of it supposedly too dangerous for decent folk after dark, same with parts of Peckham, same with the sprawling Winstanley estate at Clapham Junction, and yet in all the many nights I spent in those three locations, I was never attacked by gangs of sadistic and vicious immigrants, and I'm about as archetypally "white"-looking as you can get - pale skin, blue eyes, mousy hair. I've had more aggro at night in "white" areas like Plumstead and Eltham than I've ever had in any so-called "no-go area".
 
Orang Utan said:
Fuck off again.
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My point is, you can't have open borders to protect the good, if the bad come in with them.

Pointing out awfully nice people being victimised by bad, then touting open borders as a solution, is plain daft if all it does is move the problem of bad people exploiting good, from France to the UK.
 
SpookyFrank said:
Lucky there's no bad people here already isn't it?
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Slade's just worried that foreign crims will impinge on his own *illicit activities.

*Although I doubt many foreign crims are into stealing the vicar's wife's knickers and sniffing her bike saddle, so he doesn't really have too many worries on that score.
 
The subject that will continue to divide the people...

After my first post last year on a similar topic, i'm reserved about giving my opinion on this matter, though i can understand the many sides of the spectrum. However, as someone whose job involves working with unaccompanied minors claiming asylum, if anyone wants to ask anything, i can at least give my view on things from what i see.
 
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How to help your fellow human beings at the Calais migrant camps... at the Daily Mail's expense! This is probably the best thing you could do this weekend/ever:

1. Book a £1 ferry ticket with P&O by the 1st of February, using code DAILYMAIL4, to take advantage of the Daily Mail’s humanitarian largesse.

2. Pack up a backpack or load up a car with tents, blankets, (men’s) shoes, winter jackets and a couple of sets of dominoes. If you have none of these things, take a warm hug and a friendly smile.

3. Visit the migrant camp at Impasse des Salines or the “Jungle” along Rue des Garennes. If you want to support activists in Calais, contact Calais Migrant Solidarity on +33 75 34 75 159.

4. Enjoy your free bottle of wine, courtesy of our sponsor, The Daily Mail!

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not-bono-ever said:
fuck it, will do it this week.will post a wanted thread in recycle for contributions/ will pickup in SE london
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Well done you. PM me if you want any details about good places to take stuff to.

Tents, sleeping bags, warm clothes and men's shoes are the most important things. Don't bring any jigsaw puzzles, we got donated loads just before christmas and we have no idea what anyone is supposed to do with them. It's quite sweet that people think the migrants have dining room tables they can sit round of a sunday afternoon to do jigsaw puzzles but sadly life in the jungles is a bit more basic than that.
 
let me trawl around the local charity shops to see if they owt that isnt saleable condition, but serviceable and functional they would normally send off to a recycler

will PM when I have sorted out the tickets/schedule and posted in the recycle forum for contribs
 
I don't recommend just rocking up at the jungles with a van/car full of goodies tbh. You might get slightly mobbed, which can be an unpleasant experience. I would at least give the CMS folk a call and ask their advice when you get there, they might offer to store and distribute stuff themselves if the garage isn't too full and people aren't too busy doing other stuff.
 
an update- i trawled the charity shops of the hood today and plead the case for non sellable stuff I would be willing to pick up - the verdixt wasnt good- as i knew, they have contracts with recycling firms that pay them cash for their unwanted gear and they were cautious. the biggest one however did agree to speak to the area manager and call me back on monday. lets see how it goes
 
further update

the local charidee shops didnt get back to me, so I went a knocking again- they are not interested- one in particular was a bit sneery about the issues- but he is a cunt anyway.

missed the DM voucher, but will do a day retirn anyway
 
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sovereignb said:
The subject that will continue to divide the people...

After my first post last year on a similar topic, i'm reserved about giving my opinion on this matter, though i can understand the many sides of the spectrum. However, as someone whose job involves working with unaccompanied minors claiming asylum, if anyone wants to ask anything, i can at least give my view on things from what i see.
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One thing i will say in this thread (and i know it wont go down well), is that if anyone thinks all asylum claims are genuine, you are very much mistaken.
 
sovereignb said:
One thing i will say in this thread (and i know it wont go down well), is that if anyone thinks all asylum claims are genuine, you are very much mistaken.
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I don't know about that. You wouldn't camp out in Calais for months on end unless you were pretty desperate. You might say they're "economic" refugees rather than "political," but I'm not sure that distinction makes much sense.
 
sovereignb said:
One thing i will say in this thread (and i know it wont go down well), is that if anyone thinks all asylum claims are genuine, you are very much mistaken.
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Okay then, let's set aside the entire issue of every country being obliged by the UN to grant political asylum to anyone who claims it.

Instead, think what it would take to make you willing to leave where you are now, with just the clothes on your back and the things you could carry in a small bag. No problem? Leave most of your money behind (or spend the lot of it on the journey) too, and your friends and family. This could be the last time you ever see them, they probably won't be able to visit you either, at least for a few years and maybe never.

Even if your life wasn't in danger, and you did this purely in the hope of finding work which paid well enough to to support yourself and send something home, how desperate would you be before doing this began to look like a good idea?
 
sovereignb said:
One thing i will say in this thread (and i know it wont go down well), is that if anyone thinks all asylum claims are genuine, you are very much mistaken.
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Define 'genuine'. Do you mean genuinely in need of help according to the arbitary criteria invented by the home office to try and reduce to a bare minimum the number of people able to successfully claim asylum, or do you mean deserving of help in the way that all humans need and deserve help from others at some point in their lives?

Plenty of British-born people don't deserve the skin they stand in, never mind access to public services. When we start throwing those people out and replacing them with nice people from Sudan then maybe we can talk about who is deserving and who isn't, until then it's a gruesome double standard.
 
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