SpookyFrank
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So why all this 19th century quackery of measuring bones and so on?
Calais: Migration and the UK Border
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So why all this 19th century quackery of measuring bones and so on?
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Cos you fancy giving him a Glasgow Kiss?
DownwardDog
Riding a Brompton with a power meter.
Because (obviously) some of them lie about their age to get the enhanced level support available to minors.
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
A friend of mine used to work as a teaching assistant in a secure educational unit, which housed everyone from the archetypal persistent young offender to people that had done much more serious shit. They had one guy from Nigeria who'd been caught at customs with a fuck load of drugs and possibly false documents. This guy was educationally well ahead of his peers, and my mate was pretty sure he had a university degree, despite 'officially' being seventeen or something like that. I think there's some advantage in the criminal justice system to being younger than you are.
That's phil shitting up this thread because I made some points about him on a thread I later found he was barred from on pain of a banning. He now sees this as an indication of cowardice,despite the fact that I've willingly attacked the self-regarding idiot to his (computerised) face more times than I can recall.
Basically, he's a wanker. I would report the posts (yes, posts!) he's dropped over the boards calling me a coward, because it's classic "cross-thread beef", but I don't report posts,not even from twat-monkeys.
LOL. I'll have to remember to add that to my online dating profiles...
"Middle aged, average looking twat-monkey, whose a film buff with a sense of humour, seeks a bubbly companion who loves the internet, but never-the-less despises World of Warcraft..."
Corrected for you </pedant>
sovereignb
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Most applicants will say they are under 18 to be entitled to the support as a child in need. They dont carry ID/proof with them, so its for authorities to determine through an assessment how true the response is. The bones measuring tactics rarely happen in my experience, unless authorities are convinced the "child" is older and the "child" continues to maintain they are so. Solicitors (supporting the applicant) or local authorities can request it.
It seems Dogsauce above has got another gist of it.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
How do you despise World of Warcraft? If you don't like it, simply don't play it and it need never vex you again.
Getting really angry about things that don't actually affect you seems to be a running theme with you doesn't it?
And pretending to be able to actually read people's minds (badly) appears to be a running theme with you.
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SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Nope, that'd be you doing that:
Incidentally, if someone is a second generation immigrant that means they were born here, and so they are, strictly speaking, 'native'.
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
and what would you do if, heaven forfend, in the same situation?
sovereignb
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My response was supposed to quote the point people are making that we already have criminals born and bred in the UK. I dont see how importing more from other countries is remotely beneficial for anything. No one has to tell me about the benefits of cultural diversity. Most in this thread seem to believe that ALL asylum seekers/immigrants are honest, hardworking and contribute positively to society. I'm telling you, from my experience, not ALL are.
Hypothetically, if someone from the UK went to Pakistan, claiming they in fear of their life here, but ultimately went there to recruit young girls into exploitation, what do you think should happen?
SpookyFrank
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...and you knew that even though you are genuinely fleeing for your life, there's still an excellent chance you'll not only get sent home from the UK but the people who are trying to kill you will get a nice phone call from HM government first to let them know you're coming. You also know your chances are slightly better if you're thought to be under eighteen. Would you still be on some moral high horse about it and refuse to bend the truth?
A friend of mine waited so long to get over the border at Calais that his eighteenth birthday came and went before he could reach the UK and claim asylum. If there had been a legitimate way for him to get here and make a claim he would have been entitled to support as a minor, but now he isn't. Is that fair?
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Why does there need to be different ways of dealing with criminals based on where those criminals come from? You seem to be suggesting that the immigration system should operate as some kind of pre-emptive proxy for the criminal justice system, stopping people coming here on the grounds that they might turn out to be criminals. Why not get the NHS to behave in the same way, and smother newborn babies at birth lest they too should grow up to be criminals?
sovereignb
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It still seems people are missing my point. Which situation? And, as i asked in a previous post, is the UK supposed to just give this support whether its genuinely entitled or not? Its one thing making the most out of that support, working hard, doing the best that you can for yourself and contributing positvely to society. Its another thing to completely exploit it and do nothing but cause harm to the communities.
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
i know it is hard for you to empathise and it will never happen to you down to luck of where you were born.
in a situation where you would get more support from being younger and you were desperate for that support, would you bend the truth, claim you were younger to get that support?
pretty simple really
in a situation where you would get more support from being younger and you were desperate for that support, would you bend the truth, claim you were younger to get that support?
pretty simple really
sovereignb
Well-Known Member
Not stopping people coming here, but if it does turn out they are a part of something bigger (exploiting children say), then you believe such people should still be given the right to stay here? Serve their time in a UK prison and then be released back into the community, with all the issues that may entail (housing etc)
I dont for the life of me understand how someone can be supposedly fleeing persecution, only to shit in the country that gives them safe haven and the people of that country should just deal with it, along with the existing dregs we already have. Maybe we have a difference of opinion but thanks for being able to have a healthy discussion about it.
Comparing stricter immigration controls where people are turned away and smothering innocent babies to death, is stretching it all somewhat isn't it?
So when I mention the words "Native" and "American" - do you think of White European Americans as well as those erm...erm...Native Americans?
sovereignb
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Like i said, your missing the point i have made several times throughout this thread. Exploiting that support, to do nothing but harm society...i dont see how anyone can agree with this? But clearly, most in this thread do or dont believe it could possibly happen.
Im also interested to know why all those waiting at Calais are not claiming asylum there or any of the other places they may have stopped before reaching there?
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Yup. One name spring to mind.
Gary Glitter.
I wonder if Spooky Frank reckons the Cambodians were cunts for sending GG back to Blighty.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
If you were really interested, you'd read the thread.
SpookyFrank
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The logic is the same: fuck these people off because they might commit crimes.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
I can do straw men too: what about a Pakistani man found guilty of forcing a young woman into marriage? Would you throw him in jail here in the UK, or deport him to Pakistan where there's a very good chance he'd face no punishment at all?
Why either or? How about jail him here then deport him?
What about checking out whether they have actually committed crimes?
I appreciate that it's a sick, cruel old world out there. I accept that sometimes people need to claim asylum. But there is a balance and I get the impression that you're only interested in one side of it all.
1400 abused girls and that's just Rotherham. What about the rest of the country?
At what point do you draw the line? 500,000 abused children? 1 million?
Bluescreen is concerned that some are "politically exploiting" the issue. Really? What the EDL, BNP, Britain First & UKIP?
Where's the left wing protest groups in this that "politically exploiting" the issue? Too busy going after soft targets like Christian nut-jobs protesting outside abortion clinics? When the minions of Mohammed are involved, no matter how shocking the crimes, the primary concern of the left is political groups like EDL/BNP/BF/NF & UKIP.
The double standards is disappointing and telling to say the least.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
It finally sheds its skin
Oh do we have another name calling witch hunt on our hands? Oh goody, it's so much easier than debate, don't you think?
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
I don't like racists. We don't tolerate them here. Fuck right off and have a debate somewhere else.
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