Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags

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And when you're trying not to fuck up the dinner.

I mean, this stuff ffs. I'll make all sorts of allowances for people who are upset but this is off the scale. It's a pretty clear indication that engaging with this person will only succeed in dragging the thread further into la la land.

fair do's. I interpreted what you said as an attack on the ideas I was trying to get across that many women who speak out get a fuckton of shit for that. and that will make me red mist. I apologise for the accusation I made and I'll delete it if you wish.

 

[equationgirl]

If it helps, I'm having proper home made roast beef with all the trimmings today, you know its the good shit cos I'm.having it at my mum's and my dad's cooking it so It's a little bit feminism

PS: vienetta for pudding!

Are you having your Sunday dinner in the 1970s, if there's vienetta?

 

[agricola]

Are you having your Sunday dinner in the 1970s, if there's vienetta?

Black Forest Gateau, surely?

 

[equationgirl]

Black Forest Gateau, surely?

Only for dinner parties, mate.

 

[rekil]

fair do's. I interpreted what you said as an attack on the ideas I was trying to get across that many women who speak out get a fuckton of shit for that. and that will make me red mist. I apologise for the accusation I made and I'll delete it if you wish.

Much appreciated. Apologies for upsetting you. I concede I was a bit thoughtless and brusque. Nah, no need to delete anything.

 

[SpineyNorman]

Are you having your Sunday dinner in the 1970s, if there's vienetta?

The vienetta is my contribution to the feast, its on offer for a quid at sainsburys so i got 2

 

[equationgirl]

The vienetta is my contribution to the feast, its on offer for a quid at sainsburys so i got 2

Both the same flavour or different flavours? I haven't had one in years - it was the very height of sophistication in our house for Sunday lunch

 

[DotCommunist]

I have noticed there can be a huge fuss on urban for something that would be nothing at all in the outside world but perversely something that would be seen as out of order in the outside world can be seen as ok inside urban.

An example is what some on here have said about the Catholic church, yet if there is only a suggestion [and a suggestion only in somebodies mind] on other topics about something that would be nothing in the outside world then all hell breaks loose.

It just shows that there is a clique on urban that if their prejudices are not pandered too or they are challenged then watch out, yet within the confines of urban that very clique seem to be able to say what they like about anything.

If urban is a private club for only like minded posters with a very narrow outlook then fine, but it should be advertised as such.

still crying?

 

[SpineyNorman]

fair do's. I interpreted what you said as an attack on the ideas I was trying to get across that many women who speak out get a fuckton of shit for that. and that will make me red mist. I apologise for the accusation I made and I'll delete it if you wish.

Much appreciated. Apologies for upsetting you. I concede I was a bit thoughtless and brusque. Nah, no need to delete anything.

 

[SpineyNorman]

Both the same flavour or different flavours? I haven't had one in years - it was the very height of sophistication in our house for Sunday lunch

Only vanilla Im afraid they did a.special edition cappuccino one once which was ace but my favourite normal flavour is mint

 

[tufty79]

The vienetta is my contribution to the feast, its on offer for a quid at sainsburys so i got 2

you beauty. just remembered i've got a£3 of nectar points to redeem

 

[SpineyNorman]

you beauty. just remembered i've got a£3 of nectar points to redeem

Theyve also got the single serving size carte d'or ice cream (cherry, tiramisu or caramel) on at 2 for 2 quid

 

[tufty79]

tonight, Matthew, I will be having a propper veggie roast, maybe a cheek value cooking lager, and being both nice and nasty to my diabetes

 

[equationgirl]

Theyve also got the single serving size carte d'or ice cream (cherry, tiramisu or caramel) on at 2 for 2 quid

Have they now. That cherry one is pretty nice.

 

[equationgirl]

tonight, Matthew, I will be having a propper veggie roast, maybe a cheek value cooking lager, and being both nice and nasty to my diabetes

Diabetes has been pretty nasty to you, about time you gave it a taste of it's own medicine

 

[andysays]

http://www.urban75.net/forums/threads/whats-for-tea-tonight-8.256241/

Just sayin'...

 

[tufty79]

http://www.urban75.net/forums/threads/whats-for-tea-tonight-8.256241/

Just sayin'...

true
will be a-postin' in there if my neighbour's nice enough to be going into sainsbergs waving my card around and pretending to be me (keep forgetting i haven't got a tardis to get there )

 

[J Ed]

FFS now I have to go out and buy a vienetta

 

[tufty79]

FFS now I have to go out and buy a vienetta

do you see what you've done, Spiney Norman? DO YOU SEE?

paging DotCommunist. i think i remember him having a soft spot for vienetta

 

[DotCommunist]

I have never paid for mine

 

[JimW]

Dotty as the Midge Ure of puddings: ♪ It costs nooothing for meeee, Vienn(ett)aaaa ♫

 

[discokermit]

whoda thunk a thread singling out a woman for abuse would turn out so shit?

 

[JimW]

whoda thunk a thread singling out a woman for abuse would turn out so shit?

TBF, looking back at page one it was Callinicos got more flak early doors.

 

[discokermit]

TBF, looking back at page one it was Callinicos got more flak early doors.

soon changed though. and any relevant points were lost amongst the shit.

 

[tufty79]

whoda thunk a thread singling out a woman for abuse would turn out so shit?

i happen to like the current vienetta theme, thank you.
nice and vanilla.

 

[JimW]

soon changed though. and any relevant points were lost amongst the shit.

I thought the relevant stuff stood out a bit more, but you're not the only one to feel that way and it's certainly had its low points (firky and his shit cartoon etc not least)

 

[discokermit]

I thought the relevant stuff stood out a bit more, but you're not the only one to feel that way and it's certainly had its low points (firky and his shit cartoon etc not least)

it may have early on but once the point had been made it has been mainly shit from then on. increasing exponentially after laurie posted as all the dickheads tried to make themselves look big and clever.

this thread fucking reeks. it's a disgrace to us all.

 

[SpineyNorman]

To try and get this back to the more serious political and non-personalised stuff we were discussing earlier in the thread, I'm reading a collection of essays called: In Defense of History: Marxism and the Post-Modern Agenda. There's one in there by Francis Mulhern called 'the politics of cultural studies' and this bit stuck out for me:

There is no doubt that cultural studies has attempted to further emancipatory social aims - socialist, feminist, anti-racist, anti-imperialist. Its intervention has been in those substantial, specified senses political. But it is romantic to go on thinking of cultural studies as an 'intervention'. It is now an instituted academic activity; and academic activity, whatever its intrinsic merits, is inevitably not the same thing as a political project. What happens when an oppositional tendency becomes a budget holding discipline, offering credentials, careers, research funds? More or less what any realistic observer would expect. No academic discipline may honourably or realistically apply political tests to its students and teachers. The day cannot be far off - indeed, it has probably arrived already - when the first real professionals of the discupline, trained in it and now pursuing it as a scholarly career, take their places in classrooms to give the introductory lecture on "subversion" or some other such routine syllabus heading.

It just seems to cover so many of the themes of this thread that I couldn't resist quoting it. And the bit I've bolded works for radical journalism too - when it becomes a career choice, which it clearly now is, you're fucked.

I think most of the same criticisms can be leveled at academic Marxism too FWIW

 

[tufty79]

it may have early on but once the point had been made it has been mainly shit from then on. increasing exponentially after laurie posted as all the dickheads tried to make themselves look big and clever.

this thread fucking reeks. it's a disgrace to us all.

which is why i apologised for being a dickhead, and really regret how i responded to her.
hth.

 

[discokermit]

which is why i apologised for being a dickhead, and really regret how i responded to her.
hth.

there are a lot of genuine posts as well. and genuine serious criticisms of laurie. trouble is they get lost amongst the shit.
i'm not singling anyone out. your reaction was angry but understandable, as was the reaction of laurie upon discovering this thread.

but the fact this thread has gone on for so long when other criticisms of media lefties fall by the wayside says something. even the way this thread has tended to focus on her, when callinicos has destroyed the organisation he's a part of by covering for a rapist, says something.