Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags

[discokermit]

To try and get this back to the more serious political and non-personalised stuff we were discussing earlier in the thread,

too late. start another thread.

i bet it won't get to over eight hundred pages though.

 

[DotCommunist]

there are a lot of genuine posts as well. and genuine serious criticisms of laurie. trouble is they get lost amongst the shit.
i'm not singling anyone out. your reaction was angry but understandable, as was the reaction of laurie upon discovering this thread.

but the fact this thread has gone on for so long when other criticisms of media lefties fall by the wayside says something. even the way this thread has tended to focus on her, when callinicos has destroyed the organisation he's a part of by covering for a rapist, says something.

as ably covered by the swappie implosion thread

 

[discokermit]

as ably covered by the swappie implosion thread

kinda. but not really.

 

[SpineyNorman]

too late. start another thread.

i bet it won't get to over eight hundred pages though.

Give it a try - what do you think about the quote? Am I right? Being too harsh?

 

[ViolentPanda]

strike a fucking light, thats beneath you

This is blowhard bullshit, and I'm leaving this thread until it becomes either amusing or relevant again.

Malcom Harris will be wanking into his sock to see this disgraceful show. Or maybe lolicon will be his stimuli of choice. Either way, this is crap

Malcolm Harris is a wanksock.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I am bored out of my tiny paddy mind with this but I was referring to LP's imaginary role as plucky fighter for "the left", her poisonous habit of conflating criticism with misogyny and the notion that her position on the parapet is useful or realistically accessible to normals, let alone working class women, who she fucking hates.

Intersectionalism ahoy!!!

 

[ViolentPanda]

Who's Malcolm Harris? Is he a TV presenter?

He's Everyman.

He's me, and he's very certainly you.

 

[DotCommunist]

nothing matters

 

[ViolentPanda]

he's not getting banned, just smeared. Obviously I would say that as he's my best mate and we have shared so many pints and fistbumps

Fist-bumping is so '90s.
Pints is well up-to-date, though.

 

[ViolentPanda]

But that poster is the king of the feminist allies so he gets a free pass.

Not true, he merely plays the role in an online drama.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Don't get me wrong, I've doubted other feminists in the past about the level of abuse they'd experienced, before getting directed to one feminist's blog and seeing for myself the graphic rape threats she got for a post that wasn't exactly controversial.

The problem with/for Ms. Penny is that her penchant for hyperbole w/r/t her "journalism" means that some people will automatically assume that she engages in hyperbole in all subjects, with the knock-on effects that has for her and for anyone else suffering the same threats and hassles.

Sadly, there are cunts everywhere

Yup.

 

[ViolentPanda]

You're kidding? Is that right? The same poster who then accused the mods of deleting posts made by Blagsta when it couldn't actually be found that he'd said what he was accused of sent a cartoon of Laurie Penny being violently assaulted to Laurie Penny? And he hasn't been banned?

Wow.

Having a bonobo liver transpalnted into him has obviously given him so "special powers".

 

[ViolentPanda]

I have noticed there can be a huge fuss on urban for something that would be nothing at all in the outside world but perversely something that would be seen as out of order in the outside world can be seen as ok inside urban.

An example is what some on here have said about the Catholic church, yet if there is only a suggestion [and a suggestion only in somebodies mind] on other topics about something that would be nothing in the outside world then all hell breaks loose.

It just shows that there is a clique on urban that if their prejudices are not pandered too or they are challenged then watch out, yet within the confines of urban that very clique seem to be able to say what they like about anything.

If urban is a private club for only like minded posters with a very narrow outlook then fine, but it should be advertised as such.

Fuck off with your cross-thread beef and pathetic attempt to justify the crap you got banned for.

 

[ViolentPanda]

If it helps, I'm having proper home made roast beef with all the trimmings today, you know its the good shit cos I'm.having it at my mum's and my dad's cooking it so It's a little bit feminism

PS: vienetta for pudding!

Are we allowed to use the "V" word on a thread that Dottie posts on?

 

[ViolentPanda]

still crying?

Like a baby.

 

[tufty79]

Are we allowed to use the "V" word on a thread that Dottie posts on?

v for vienetta vendetta

 

[weepiper]

Having a bonobo liver transpalnted into him has obviously given him so "special powers".

Even if he has behaved like a dick there's no call to make jokes about him nearly dying VP.

 

[ViolentPanda]

there are a lot of genuine posts as well. and genuine serious criticisms of laurie. trouble is they get lost amongst the shit.
i'm not singling anyone out. your reaction was angry but understandable, as was the reaction of laurie upon discovering this thread.

but the fact this thread has gone on for so long when other criticisms of media lefties fall by the wayside says something. even the way this thread has tended to focus on her, when callinicos has destroyed the organisation he's a part of by covering for a rapist, says something.

TBF, there was a fair bit of criticism of the Swappie elite on the threads specifically about the cover-up/"peoples' court" bullshit at around the same time.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Even if he has behaved like a dick there's no call to make jokes about him nearly dying VP.

I've been repeatedly making the same "joke" directly at him for the last year, with no objections from anyone, so it's nowt to do with him having "behaved like a dick".
It's not, by the way, a joke about him "nearly dying", It's a joke about his healthcare trust giving him a bonobo liver, rather than a human one, because they're cheaper and one was available.

 

[ViolentPanda]

kinda. but not really.

Well, there wasn't a massive amount of direct criticism of Stalinicos, but that's more down to him being the Swappie eminence gris as opposed to a workaday CC member, rather than anything else.

 

[tufty79]

Even if he has behaved like a dick there's no call to make jokes about him nearly dying VP.

fair game, imo - he's got a gsoh.



i have no idea if barney pig knew about my history of sexual assault/abuse. firky certainly did.

 

[tufty79]

true
will be a-postin' in there if my neighbour's nice enough to be going into sainsbergs waving my card around and pretending to be me (keep forgetting i haven't got a tardis to get there )

he cba going into town

but he DID just lend me a fiver til i get it together enough to get to the bank and stick my bastard postal order in and it clears

he is off to the corner shop for some Lovely Fags (i ran out at 8am, and haven't obliterated myself or anyone else. i'm amazed) and some vegges

should really go in the 'chuffed' thread, but fuck it. i appear to be trying to burn this one to the ground and salt the earth.

 

[barney_pig]

fair game, imo - he's got a gsoh.

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i have no idea if barney pig knew about my history of sexual assault/abuse. firky certainly did.

Back then, no. But firky's 'joke' shouted out inappropriate, considering the context.

Knowing what happened since it is obvious that he was having a deliberate dig, one which his pals in red will pass over once again.

 

[discokermit]

could someone pm me about this firky thing?

 

[discokermit]

sorted. ta. what a cunt.

 

[frogwoman]

i still think renaming this thread would be a good idea.

 

[weepiper]

I've been repeatedly making the same "joke" directly at him for the last year, with no objections from anyone, so it's nowt to do with him having "behaved like a dick".
It's not, by the way, a joke about him "nearly dying", It's a joke about his healthcare trust giving him a bonobo liver, rather than a human one, because they're cheaper and one was available.

It's not funny.

 

[Belushi]

I vote close this thread and start another on the "commentariat" in general.

 

[ViolentPanda]

It's not funny.

Which is a bit different from your original claim, isn't it?

 

[weepiper]

I vote close this thread and start another on the "commentariat" in general.

tbh I agree. Nuke it from orbit and start again.