Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags

[tufty79]

Christ, what did I miss?

laurie penny came in and snogged firky, while proclaiming him to be The Voice Of The Left

e2a: and i had fags. and coffee. lots of coffee

i do not advocate that anyone ever posts on this thread after a coffee.
/projection.

To be honest, I haven't drunk coffee for 19 years (gastric ulcers), so I've forgotten what the effects are of a strong coffee!

 

[tufty79]

why not? will it breach the rights of sockpuppets and trolls?

it'll get us (or me) banned, while firky gets to stay

 

[_angel_]

I think you can discuss pms just not post em up?

 

[cesare]

Firky, if you regret it why not actually apologise for what you did? A lot of personal information has been shared in private conversations and you gave ern access to all of that.

What does this mean?

 

[cesare]

This is going to have to be explained to me, sorry. Totally over my head, that one. Without seeing the context of that I am guessing someone asked why you were banned, and seeing as you're hardly the kind of person who gets banned, I'd assumed you asked for a ban. Barney_pig then makes a playful dig at me - I respond and

Hold up my hand and admit the piccadilly thing was a bit of a cunt's trick but it's not as though ern is in here anyway, and I do regret that - it was a twatish thing to do, especially given how I think you said you find it difficult to feel secure (or words to that effect) at times. But I don't know how the above pictures proves anything or that I was making a dig, anything but (why would I haev a dig at you?), that one really has me confused.

Also copliker, FWIW I don't think he was being misogynistic, think he could have phrased it better - was a bit clumsy.

What did you do with the picadilly (commando?) thing?

 

[cesare]

i was. then july happened and i tardissed backwards, with a little help from a rl 'friend' on urban, and then firky/ern's doings. tbh i get those two and ninja boy mixed up at times - they're just a massive glob of trollcunts that are pretty much indistinguishable half the time.

working on getting better, next week i'm going to try go further than 200m from my house on my own again. ffs - i went to *TODMORDEN* unassisted less than a month ago

What did he/they do?

 

[tufty79]

Still waiting for that apology though.

i don't want an apology. i want him gone.

 

[tufty79]

What did he/they do?

got me back to the point of almost sectioning myself again - not feeling safe outside as it is. not feeling safe on here = not feeling safe in my home either (again) = that way madness and potential self-topping lie.
(thurdsay? or was it friday? was interesting, let's put it that way)

 

[discokermit]

i don't want an apology. i want him gone.

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i also want him gone and so do a few others. i'm pretty sure most people who find out about what he's done will also want him gone.

if he doesn't go, i reckon quite a few will.

 

[tufty79]

if he doesn't go, i reckon quite a few will.

i'm tempted to emigrate to the fishco. but i wouldn't be able to post pictures of myself nekkid, or of mty cats, or my dinner

 

[emanymton]

i was. then july happened and i tardissed backwards, with a little help from a rl 'friend' on urban, and then firky/ern's doings. tbh i get those two and ninja boy mixed up at times - they're just a massive glob of trollcunts that are pretty much indistinguishable half the time.

working on getting better, next week i'm going to try go further than 200m from my house on my own again. ffs - i went to *TODMORDEN* unassisted less than a month ago

Really sorry to hear this, not much else that can be said really except I hope you you will be doing better soon.

 

[Dan U]

Thread not making sense. Did firky give a troll account with personal conversations in it to Ern? Why would anyone give anything to Ern? The bloke is a total fucking idiot based upon his posts in here.

Have I got that right? As ever with urban it's nudge nudge wink wink and most of us don't have a scooby what's going on.

Either don't say stuff or lay it all out. This fannying around in the middle is no good for anyone.

 

[tufty79]

Thread not making sense. Did firky give a troll account with personal conversations in it to Ern?

yes.

 

[tufty79]

Have I got that right? As ever with urban it's nudge nudge wink wink and most of us don't have a scooby what's going on.

Either don't say stuff or lay it all out. This fannying around in the middle is no good for anyone.

sorry if i've been garbledposting. tunnel vision time, innit?

 

[cesare]

got me back to the point of almost sectioning myself again - not feeling safe outside as it is. not feeling safe on here = not feeling safe in my home either (again) = that way madness and potential self-topping lie.

If you don't want to state publically what he/they did, that's ok of course. Is all of this after (time wise) the artisan bread thread? Are you in a worse place now?

 

[discokermit]

Thread not making sense. Did firky give a troll account with personal conversations in it to Ern?

yes. deeply personal conversations. they then blamed tufty.

 

[cesare]

yes. deeply personal conversations. they then blamed tufty.

Blamed her for what?

 

[tufty79]

If you don't want to state publically what he/they did, that's ok of course. Is all of this after (time wise) the artisan bread thread? Are you in a worse place now?

yep, it's since then.
i was in a worse place the other day. i'm full of coffee and rage directed outwards instead of inwards now. and fags. and i've not had a proper smoke (two homeopathic spliffs excepted the other night) since .. errr.. thursday≥ and am relatively calm
and have a social worker referral an ting, which i've been trying to get since feb/march. so silver linings etc.
i also managed the weekend without my mates (not sarcastic) around the corner being around, with a slightly 'ffs, you just need to pull yourself together' but generally awesome downstairs neighbour, and found that one of my cats has started sleeping next to my head.
i'm really annoying myself with pollyannaing (i think? only worked out what it meant the other day), but fuckit. counting blessings and ripping the piss outof grimness is working ok. as is (hopefully) knowing that not *everyone* around me is a cunt.

 

[Dan U]

*If* that is true firky you are a massive fucking cunt.

 

[weepiper]

Blamed her for what?

'Piccadilly Commando' which was either Ern or Firky (both had the password) said tufty invited him to the conversation, which was a lie.

 

[tufty79]

Blamed her for what?

inviting them into the conversation.
i had no fucking clue about any of this until last week - i'd left and blocked the original convo pretty much without reading it.

 

[discokermit]

Blamed her for what?

for bringing ern, secretly, into a deeply personal conversation.

 

[discokermit]

*If* that is true

i've been told this by a couple of people now, both of whom i trust completely.

 

[Prince Rhyus]

Happy for this one to be locked - had no idea it would end up lasting this long! Also, since posting it I've learnt a lot from a number of social media friends & probably wouldn't have used the same title if posting on the subject again.

 

[YouSir]

Damn, s'one fucked up thread.

 

[frogwoman]

in a vague attempt to get this thread back on topic, i just had a comment on my blog post - i mean is what i said offensive or owt? i don't think it is and i'm a bit pissed off because she seems to be implying that it's anti-semitic or something and i'm definitely not and i'm a bit annoyed that someone would imply that about me.

statcounter told me people were accessing my blog via this post
and like, i was sort of with her until she got to this paragraph — which is where i’m linked, incidentally:

Some of the reactions by Jews to the “Jewsplaining” stuff are also fairly disturbing and the language used about “gentiles” (really??) disturbingly reminiscent of campaigns to stop people from “marrying out” and prevent “assimilation” (ie stop the “calamity” of Jews marrying non-Jews, as if marrying a non-Jew means you automatically stop being culturally Jewish or even following the religion. Without this “calamity” I wouldn’t be here). We get diatribes against "tumblr goyim” and people saying that “gentile is a privilege”. Would the idea that “gentile is a privilege” apply to working-class Palestinians in Gaza? Because that’s where this idiocy leads straight back to. Implicit support for the president of the US based on the fact he is black. Implicit support for the Israeli state based on it being a “Jewish state” or implicit support for other Middle Eastern states based on their leaders being Muslim and not white. Implicit support for Thatcher based on the fact she was a woman.​

i fucking can’t deal with this so i’m going to leave this for someone who can. this so utterly decontextualizes religious privilege in the west and the antisemitism that leads a lot of jews to be suspicious of goyim (a word that i will almost always use instead of “gentile/s" because i’m a zionazi jewish supremacist), holy shit, what even

did i do anything wrong here? i mean i was brought up to think that using words like goyim and gentile were wrong and not to use them?

 

[Belushi]

I'm happy to start a new thread if no one else wants to do it? What should we call it - I like equationgirls 'Commenting on the Commentariat'

 

[equationgirl]

in a vague attempt to get this thread back on topic, i just had a comment on my blog post - i mean is what i said offensive or owt? i don't think it is and i'm a bit pissed off because she seems to be implying that it's anti-semitic or something and i'm definitely not and i'm a bit annoyed that someone would imply that about me.



did i do anything wrong here? i mean i was brought up to think that using words like goyim and gentile were wrong and not to use them?

I always thought they were wrong in this day and age, even as a non-Jew. I don't think she understands what you're talking about to be honest.

 

[discokermit]

in a vague attempt to get this thread back on topic,

i wouldn't bother. this thread is fucked. was probably fucked the day Firky started sending lauriepenny misogynistic cartoons to get her over here.

 

[frogwoman]

I always thought they were wrong in this day and age, even as a non-Jew. I don't think she understands what you're talking about to be honest.

yeah the bit about the gaza thing, i wasn't trying to be like one of those PSC dickheads who always bring israel into any discussions like that. i meant that to say "gentile is a privilege" in every situation is bollocks and was pointing out a fairly obvious situation where it isn't. But maybe I need to make that clear(er)?