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When a large number of a breed of dogs attack people is it because that breed is dangerous or is it because dangerous people buy the breed?
When a large number of a breed of dogs attack people is it because that breed is dangerous or is it because dangerous people buy the breed?
But if a dog has a lock-on jaw it probably won’t give much attention to anything being shoved up it’s bum
When a large number of a breed of dogs attack people is it because that breed is dangerous or is it because dangerous people buy the breed?
He is a dog and dogs are unpredictable but I very much doubt it. He’s been in pain and he’s let me touch his ears although obviously he yelped. I’m not stupid enough to let the children near him if I thought he was in pain. Managing risk.Never? Even if he was in pain?
It’s not even about dangerous breeds, the pack mentality is enough for an attack.When a large number of a breed of dogs attack people is it because that breed is dangerous or is it because dangerous people buy the breed?
Never? Even if he was in pain?
What happened to dog licenses? I don’t really remember much of a conversation about ditching them.
Oh look, a media panic.
Banning dogs reactively as a response to media moral panics is never a good idea.
abolished in 1988 according to this.
never having been much of a dog person, i'm not entirely sure, but that seems to be saying it was a purely administrative thing / dog tax, rather than it involving any checks on the welfare of the dog/s involved, or suitability of the owner to keep dogs - which suggests it was pretty much pointless in the form it was then.
Matter of degree, innit.
Mine is a Wirehaired Pointer, he's a dog designed and bred to detect, hunt, and if necessary chase, and bring down a full size deer (he's 35kg), he's also soft as shite around people, and remarkably tolerant of massively annoying dogs (not a fan of cats though...).
He would, I think, take an enormous degree of provocation - he walks away if he's getting pissed off - but in the end, he's a domesticated wolf, and if you pushed his buttons hard enough, he'd react.
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While I think the idea that how a dog is brought up, treated, and trained is a huge driver in how it turns out, I also think it's foolish to ignore what selective breeding - which is how we get dog breeds - produces. Terriers will rat without being trained, spaniels will flush without being trained, retrievers with retrieve without being trained, and pointers will point without being trained - why then should we imagine that dogs bred for fighting will only fight if trained to do so?
A dog, like a person, can never be fully trusted not to flip - but if that dog has been selectively bred to flip, then it shortens the odds somewhat...
I can guarantee my dog would never attack anyone but then he’s a ridiculously soppy spaniel. I wouldn’t be so confident if I owned one of the more ‘dangerous’ breeds.
Or protecting its owner or being teased inssantly?Never? Even if he was in pain?
But that’s now very far from a guarantee, as per your previous post.He is a dog and dogs are unpredictable but I very much doubt it. He’s been in pain and he’s let me touch his ears although obviously he yelped. I’m not stupid enough to let the children near him if I thought he was in pain. Managing risk.
Crocs should be banned!And yet they are freely available on the high street and internet, no questions asked.
Myth of Lockjaw - Peninsula Humane Society & SPCA
Dear Miss Behavin’: I love how cute Pit Bulls look, and I’ve been considering adopting one, but I am very scared about their “Lockjaw.” Should I adopt a different breed? The American Pit Bull Terrier is a very loving, athletic, and affectionate breed of dog. Unfortunately, it is also one of the...phs-spca.org
I think dog licences should be brought back, renewable annually, and in order to get a licence owners should be required to have insurance in case the dog attacks someone.It’s not so much the attack that is the concern but the severity. Jack Russels are the most dangerous breed if you are looking at number of attacks per dog on average.
With larger dogs you need to be especially careful, obv.
What happened to dog licenses? I don’t really remember much of a conversation about ditching them.
Okay. But I do know that the charming kind gentle pittie I lived with had a head like and anvil and never noticed when he’d bump it or when stuff bumped his head, or even when a vase fell on him ( I mean, he noticed enough to raise his head and look around but didn’t get up or show any distress, like he did when he got a bee sting)). And when he had a tennis ball in his mouth he’d go into some kind of other-place state. He’d just glaze over. I once ( only the once) tried to get the ball away (he’d pick up balls that had been lost in the park, I never supplied them) and it was like trying to open a vice. There was no give at all. So maybe not physiologically locked, he still had some kind of agency (he’d drop the ball eventually, when he decided he’d had enough) but for all of my own intents and purposes, his jaw was locked.
I adore him, he’s my pal still. And Ive known other pit bulls and I’d gladly live with another (if it hadn’t been weaponised by the means outlined in my other post). But having now lived with a pit bull I am aware that they - or at the very least this one, so presumably some others - have the capacity to lock their jaws. Or … their jaw muscles are much much stronger than human arm muscles, so they can easily resist the efforts made. Or something.
Some dog breed have characteristics which make them dangerous. I couldn't give a fuck about owners who think their dog won't ever attack anyone.
When a large number of a breed of dogs attack people is it because that breed is dangerous or is it because dangerous people buy the breed?
You’re right on the last part. They don’t lock but they’re massively strong.
Jaws tend to be like that, even with humans. Try holding your own jaw open and biting down hard.
I was talking of the last time this happened and then no one was bitten by a dog ever after.How are you defining a "media panic"? Was it a media panic after the Hungerford massacre that led the to the The Firearms (Amendment) Act 1988 banning the ownership of semi-automatic rifles?
Okay.
To be more and yet more precise….
The particular dog I lived with had a tendency to lock his jaw and resist and refuse all efforts to persuade him to drop the ball. More significant for the current discussion was the apparently trance-like state that accompanied said voluntary locked jaw. The dog I knew to be gentle and obedient the rest of time would be ignorant and rude when he had the tennis ball in his mouth. He just wanted to keep on gripping that ball with his jaw. Something about that sensation felt so good to him that it overrode his loyalty and obedience.
Edit - your dog isn’t really the point, obviously. The point is, temperament is never guaranteed, and in those unpredictable moments, a big muscular dog is much more dangerous, arguably to the extent that the risk isn’t worth it.
Going by the scale on this diagram that man is 3'4" tall.
I obv wasn’t there and didn’t see, but I’ve encountered lots of good-natured dogs who really won’t let go of a ball until they’re good and ready.
I obv wasn’t there and didn’t see, but I’ve encountered lots of good-natured dogs who really won’t let go of a ball until they’re good and ready.