XL Bully dog - discussion

[Epona]

as you state its not a requirement for all dogs

unless its listed under the dangerous dogs act

but sensible enough to have i suppose

Yeah sorry, I think I heard they are thinking of making it mandatory, like chipping for cats, and got confused - I've edited my post accordingly.

Apologies, I really do try not to post up complete bollocks info if I can help it but had a brain fart on this occasion

 

[Ax^]

no worries

would not be the first to do that

have brain farts myself as my posting history highlights

 

[8ball]

you own link show that insurance is required along with spaying the animal to get the cert

Yes, it does.
I think I’ve missed what your point was, or vice versa..

 

[Ax^]

Sweet bully XXL breeds should be on it

 

[Isambard]

Compulsory insurance coupled with licensing is interesting because insurers would look at the genuine probability of X happening and its outcomes and price the premiums accordingly.

 

[8ball]

Sweet bully XXL breeds should be on it

Ah, I see.

The problem with the DDA is down to things other than mandatory third party insurance.

I think it’s reasonable that all dogs be subject to that requirement.

 

[Ax^]

all owners more so

scare away dickheads who want a dog to show off their masculinity

 

[8ball]

all owners more so

scare away dickheads who want a dog to show off their masculinity

Well, I could be misunderstanding your post again, but I figured owners would be liable for the premiums given how it’s difficult for dogs to obtain bank accounts.

Edit: mea culpa - I have just Googled and found multiple cases of bank accounts for dogs. So just chalk me down as agreeing.

 

[Raheem]

Suella Braverman pushes for ban of ‘lethal’ American bully XL dogs

Home Secretary has commissioned ‘urgent advice’ on outlawing the dogs

www.independent.co.uk

I feel very conflicted.

 

[8ball]

Suella Braverman pushes for ban of ‘lethal’ American bully XL dogs

Home Secretary has commissioned ‘urgent advice’ on outlawing the dogs

www.independent.co.uk

I feel very conflicted.

Well, if looking to authoritative bodies is your thing, you have the British Veterinary Association and the RSPCA on one side of the argument, and PETA on the other…

 

[Raheem]

Well, if looking to authoritative bodies is your thing, you have the British Veterinary Association and the RSPCA on one side of the argument, and PETA on the other…

No, you misunderstand.

I hate dogs. I hate Suella Braverman. So it's not obvious what to think about this.

 

[Humberto]

Crackdown on and licence Tory owners?

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

I visited a resident of the council I work for last week, they had a bully dog , not the biggest one. Bear was initially friendly and curious , then switched to angry & snappy quite quickly , jumped at me , his paws were on my shoulders and it looked like it might go a bit pear shaped, but the owner pulled him away and put him in the next room , but I was briefly thinking wtf would I do , because he was a hefty dog.

Safer to always ask residents to put dog(s) in a different room when you visit. After it's savaged your face or limbs is too late.

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

The dog licence may be gone (iirc by the end, it cost more money than it brought in, which is why it was abolished), but dog owners are still legally liable for their dogs' actions. I'd extend that to say that they're responsible for the breed of dog they choose to own and choose to allow out in public.

If certain breeds are proven to be disproportionately liable to attack people, those breeds should just be banned imo. See no reason not to ban them, doing it softly, ie allowing existing dogs just to die off rather than killing them. There are already loads of restrictions on the animals we are legally allowed to own, so it's not like this would be creating some new principle.

Motor vehicles are also potentially injurious or even lethal. So why not licence dogs again, but also make it conditional on the owners having insurance to cover damage caused (like sheep or other livestock killed) or attacks on people and injuries caused?

Breeds that are known to be more dangerous than others would cost more to insure in much the same way that a souped up sports car costs more to insure than a Volvo.

If a dog is found not to be insured - all details legally required to be on a microchip - it gets seized in much the same way that vehicles can be impounded. The owner can be prosecuted for having a dog that isn't licenced/insured and the dog destroyed.

 

[platinumsage]

Maybe they should have examined a famously dumb law before acquiring a cross of two unbanned breeds, you say?

Rightio.

Yes, just like how you'd scrutinise the legislation before acquiring a replica firearm. And if the law is famously dumb then responsible pitbull-lookalike owners have no excuse for never having heard of it.

 

[platinumsage]

This is how it should be done, although I'm not sure we have enough police officers these days to form enough seizure teams. Something for Starmer to worry about if there's a one-year period prior to enforcement commencing:

 

[SpookyFrank]

Breeds that are known to be more dangerous than others would cost more to insure in much the same way that a souped up sports car costs more to insure than a Volvo.

People pay thousands for these dogs. An extra financial disincentive isn't going to make much of a dent.

If anything it could just add to the look at me I've got a big dog aren't I special and important factor.

 

[LDC]

Dogs should be licensed and compulsory insured and microchipped, and part of the licensing requirement should be to attend a 1 day dog welfare and responsibilities check. And owners of dogs that attack or are out of control should get massively higher punishments and a lifetime ban on dog ownership.

 

[likesfish]

Problem is not the breed itself.
But owners wanting a “big bad dog”
1st it was German shepards
Then dobermans
Then rotweillers
Then pitbulls
Then staffys
Now it’s bully XL
Not helped by people inbreeding because they think it’s easy cash and poor training. A vicious attack sausage dog attempted to attack me on my bicycle last week I was giggaling and most concerned with not running it owner.
A bully XL even it it was only “ playing “would have put me in hospital.
This will probably be the next ridiculous breed to be popular with idiots.

 

[8ball]

This is how it should be done, although I'm not sure we have enough police officers these days to form enough seizure teams. Something for Starmer to worry about if there's a one-year period prior to enforcement commencing:

We’re in teuchter thread territory now…

 

[Isambard]

The old dog license cost in the end more to collect than it brought in because on abolition in 1987 it was still 12 1/2 Pence per year.

I just had a look at my local council's website for the costs of the compulsory licence. €100 a year. For fighting breeds €800 a year. Keeping a dog without a licence is a civil not a criminal offence, but fines of up to €10,000.

 

[platinumsage]

It's totally unaceptable to have them off the lead.

This is how useful a lead can be for powerful dogs:

 

[Humberto]

I know. A bullmastiff on a lead once lunged at me and nearly pulled it's owner off balance. But it did make the difference in that instance.

 

[LDC]

This is how useful a lead can be for powerful dogs:

That person need their dog taking off them, and they need to get a kicking for being fucking utterly dangerously clueless and incompetent... I mean a huge fine.

 

[LDC]

I sometimes go into people's houses for work, and if they have a dog I always insist it gets locked in a room before I enter the house, even with the predictable insistence of ,"Oh but he's very friendly, he's never bitten anyone." And I'm really confident and happy around dogs, but they can be very unpredictable when they or their owners are stressed.

Also think it should be illegal to be out in charge of a dog if under a certain age. I used to see someone about 9 years old out walking 2 dobermans near me. Absolutely no chance of being able to control them if they decided to go for it.

This stuff does bring out my Genghis Khan side of law and order; I'd have their hands chopped off for things like animal cruelty, dog fighting and half this stuff.

 

[kabbes]

My old collie was like a dog counsellor. Didn’t matter how anti-social other dogs were, Ben would get on with them. I can’t tell you how many times people would be concerned that their dog might get grumble and yet Ben would immediately be their best friend.

I tell you this as preamble so that you understand the context. Ben was the opposite of a dog that other dogs took offence to.

There was an occasion when the kabbess came across two women walking two huskies on-lead. And there was nothing those women could do to stop those huskies dragging them 50m down a track so they could both set on Ben like a pack. The noises he gave off were horrible.

As if that want bad enough, she then came across a guy walking the same huskies — off lead — a week later. And when she asked him to keep them under control and at a distance because of what had happened, he refused point blank to believe her. And then, when she tried to walk off in the opposite direction, he followed her into the woods to carry on angrily insisting that his dogs would never do that.

What can you even say about people owning dangerous dogs (and I definitely include huskies in that category) with that kind of attitude?

 

[19sixtysix]

In response to OP. Don't kill the dog. Just help the owner to realise its potential.

 

[philosophical]

Some kind of pepper spray kind of thing, in the eyes, would that work?

 

[LDC]

My old collie was like a dog counsellor. Didn’t matter how anti-social other dogs were, Ben would get on with them. I can’t tell you how many times people would be concerned that their dog might get grumble and yet Ben would immediately be their best friend.

I tell you this as preamble so that you understand the context. Ben was the opposite of a dog that other dogs took offence to.

There was an occasion when the kabbess came across two women walking two huskies on-lead. And there was nothing those women could do to stop those huskies dragging them 50m down a track so they could both set on Ben like a pack. The noises he gave off were horrible.

As if that want bad enough, she then came across a guy walking the same huskies — off lead — a week later. And when she asked him to keep them under control and at a distance because of what had happened, he refused point blank to believe her. And then, when she tried to walk off in the opposite direction, he followed her into the woods to carry on angrily insisting that his dogs would never do that.

What can you even say about people owning dangerous dogs (and I definitely include huskies in that category) with that kind of attitude?

Just the same as a whole load of attitude and behaviourial issues unrelated to dogs people like that have; it's a depressing state of affairs.

 

[LDC]

Some kind of pepper spray kind of thing, in the eyes, would that work?

Possibly, but can be a bit tricky and unpredictable to use, and it's illegal to carry in the UK anyway.