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Of course he does. Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun, and his supporters are better armed than Biden's
Who does Urban think (not hope) will win the November US Presidential Election? (The Poll)
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Of course he does. Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun, and his supporters are better armed than Biden's
Streathamite
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tim
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The capacity for the richest country in the world to fuck up its elections always amazes me. We seem to manage here and in the rest of Europe without too much moaning from the main parties involved.
bimble
floofy
That’s all true, they talked a lot about avoiding tyranny and never having another king at the start, but if it really came to it, if, it would always come down to force and who has the overwhelming violence on their side wouldn’t it, I suppose this means the military, in that country as in most.
“The tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants”, I like that.
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Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
Most of our generals consider themselves professional soldiers with professional standards and ethics. I don't think they'd engage in the violent overthrow a civilian government.
However, I don't give the same credit to the enlisted class. They've been infiltrated by white supremacists and other far right groups and there's no telling what they would do if they had the opportunity.
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
Six former Democrat mayors in the 'Iron Range' (Minnesota to you and me) endorse Trump. One says 'Joe Biden has done nothing for the working class'.
www.duluthnewstribune.com
Thats done it for me, might only be a small little thing but it sums up the direction of the election campaign in my mind. Biden is going to tell everyone that Trump is so awful that they have to vote for him, just like HRC did, and people are gonna say how are you any better.
I've changed my vote in the poll by the way. I reckon Trump will win the popular vote.
Iron Range mayors pitch Trump with Pence
As the vice president spoke at the Clure Public Marine Terminal on Friday, six Iron Range mayors voiced their approval with a well-timed endorsement letter.
www.duluthnewstribune.com
Thats done it for me, might only be a small little thing but it sums up the direction of the election campaign in my mind. Biden is going to tell everyone that Trump is so awful that they have to vote for him, just like HRC did, and people are gonna say how are you any better.
I've changed my vote in the poll by the way. I reckon Trump will win the popular vote.
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Six former Democrat mayors in the 'Iron Range' (Minnesota to you and me) endorse Trump. One says 'Joe Biden has done nothing for the working class'.
Iron Range mayors pitch Trump with Pence
As the vice president spoke at the Clure Public Marine Terminal on Friday, six Iron Range mayors voiced their approval with a well-timed endorsement letter.
Thats done it for me, might only be a small little thing but it sums up the direction of the election campaign in my mind. Biden is going to tell everyone that Trump is so awful that they have to vote for him, just like HRC did, and people are gonna say how are you any better.
I've changed my vote in the poll by the way. I reckon Trump will win the popular vote.
It’s already clear that the biggest obstacle to a Democrat win is the Democrats. As I suggested above their essential offer is precisely the same as it was in 2016, except this time they are offering a marginally less unpopular candidate.
The already obsessive anti-Trump narrative will undoubtably motivate voters but a) it will motivate voters in places that the Democrats are going to win anyway and b) increasingly likely to motivate Trump voters to turn out in places where the Democrats used to win.
Put another way the election will be won and lost in a relatively small number of States. The key segment of the electorate in those states are white and Hispanic voters for whom the ‘American dream’ has become a nightmare. The victims of the slow burn collapse of American neo-liberalism.
The basic problem with the Biden approach is, as you suggest, that it’s politically meaningless and irrelevant to the lives of voters where Covid, the economy, collapsed futures and despair promote demands for change. Any change. The offer of a limited programme of racial disparity correction within the existing order will be perceived as risking further exclusion by these communities.
To win those voters choosing a technocrat who is the epitome of PMC politics, culture and the old order isn't the place to start. And, from what I’ve seen so far there isn’t even a recognition by their campaign that this is the terrain on which the election will be won and lost.
Talk of a Biden landslide was always wide of the mark, but as Trump’s lead on the economy and law and order continues to expand in these areas I’d expect frustrations with the Biden campaign to begin to grow in these places as the polls are now suggesting. Can Biden win purely and only on the basis of ‘not being’ Trump? Possibly, but it’s a risk that the Democrats could easily have avoided.
More importantly, if Biden does win where does it take us?
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Yossarian
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He's got the Democratic pitch wrong and Joe Biden's age wrong - he's right that Biden should be taking a lot more shit for the 1994 crime bill, although simultaneously attacking Biden for being too tough on crime and too soft on crime would be a tricky maneuver even for Trump.
Although he does seem to be having a moderate amount of success campaigning as an incumbent with an "I'm going to go to DC and chuck those bum politicians out" message, so who knows.
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
He's not talking about Trump at all?
The point is that Biden is not what the vast majority of what those who want Trump out want.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
But his age and race are beside the point. He's more or less the same age and race as Bernie Sanders. Lazy to point out that Biden is an old white man as if that were particularly significant. Agree that his connection to the crime bill is far more to the point. I'm not so sure how much purchase that has given how long ago it was, though. Surely the things he can be associated with from the Obama years are more relevant.
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
Im really not sure what you're expecting from Shapiro. The point is, for once something he says makes sense and it should make Dems very uncomfortable.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
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frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Where I do think the Republicans and Trump have been successful from an aesthetics point of view at least is that they've sidelined all the old style Republicans from the Bush years and even characters like Romney and Marco Rubio etc, whereas Pelosi and all these 90s era democrats (and earlier) are still hanging around doesn't really offer much in the way of 'new politics' does it? It's like Boris fighting an election against Alistair Darling, Neil Kinnock, Claire Short and Gordon Brown.
doesn't really offer much in the way of 'new politics' does it? It's like Boris fighting an election against Alistair Darling, Neil Kinnock, Claire Short and Gordon Brown.
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
Where I do think the Republicans and Trump have been successful from an aesthetics point of view at least is that they've sidelined all the old style Republicans from the Bush years and even characters like Romney and Marco Rubio etc, whereas Pelosi and all these 90s era democrats (and earlier) are still hanging around
Which in effect is what Johnson did - they wouldn't shut up the whole time!
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Yes although the Tories in his cabinet are known from previous administrations, Michael Gove etc.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
So, quite a clear picture of how this US election is going to pan out has already been painted it would seem.
Neither side is going to concede until the mail in votes are fully counted (whenever that will be) and even then, ballot harvesting and voter fraud will no doubt be claimed.
If Trump continues in the WH his entire second term will be fought through the courts by the Dems.
Just caught a headline stating Kamala Harris is now banging on about Russian interference
It’s going to get very messy.
Neither side is going to concede until the mail in votes are fully counted (whenever that will be) and even then, ballot harvesting and voter fraud will no doubt be claimed.
If Trump continues in the WH his entire second term will be fought through the courts by the Dems.
Just caught a headline stating Kamala Harris is now banging on about Russian interference
It’s going to get very messy.
krtek a houby
Anger is Hi-NRG
So, quite a clear picture of how this US election is going to pan out has already been painted it would seem.
Neither side is going to concede until the mail in votes are fully counted (whenever that will be) and even then, ballot harvesting and voter fraud will no doubt be claimed.
If Trump continues in the WH his entire second term will be fought through the courts by the Dems.
Just caught a headline stating Kamala Harris is now banging on about Russian interference
It’s going to get very messy.
Especially with all those Trojans horses running
So, Trump has now been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize:
Doesn’t mean he’s going to win it, but there you go - an interesting development nonetheless.
Trump Nobel Peace Prize nomination - what you need to know
For the second time the US president gets a nod for the coveted award - but we won't know if he wins for a year.
www.bbc.co.uk
Doesn’t mean he’s going to win it, but there you go - an interesting development nonetheless.
tim
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So, Trump has now been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize:
Trump Nobel Peace Prize nomination - what you need to know
For the second time the US president gets a nod for the coveted award - but we won't know if he wins for a year.www.bbc.co.uk
Doesn’t mean he’s going to win it, but there you go - an interesting development nonetheless.
He won't and it isn't.
BristolEcho
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So, Trump has now been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize:
Trump Nobel Peace Prize nomination - what you need to know
For the second time the US president gets a nod for the coveted award - but we won't know if he wins for a year.www.bbc.co.uk
Doesn’t mean he’s going to win it, but there you go - an interesting development nonetheless.
It's not really. Did you read the article? It says in there about the nomination process and the low barrier for nomination.
"University professors, directors of foreign policy institutes, past recipients of a Nobel Prize and members of the Norwegian Nobel Committee are also among those deemed qualified to submit a nomination for the prize. The nominations require no invitation and as long they are entered before 1 February of the qualifying year, they will be accepted." (Plus any leader. My app isn't letting me copy and paste properly.
Later it said that Hitler was nominated too.
BristolEcho
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Ah yeah noticed it was a far right politician that's nominated him. Missed that in my quick skim.
Edward Kelly
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"Chaos followed by a coup d'etat"
IMO, I think trump might ATTEMPT some shifty schemes such as claiming Vote Rigging allowed Biden to win and he will try and hold on as long as possible by going through the court system (afterall that is his MO) but I don't believe a Coup d'etat will go far, even for a close win by Biden.
If he (trump) is defeated convinciling in the popular Vote and the Electoral College does not become a tool for trump to use, then he will have to go... Kicking and screaming like a child no doubt, nevertheless an undeniable win is what needs to happen. IMO
Oh, and I have no doubt trump/Republicans will cheat in any way they can.
IMO, I think trump might ATTEMPT some shifty schemes such as claiming Vote Rigging allowed Biden to win and he will try and hold on as long as possible by going through the court system (afterall that is his MO) but I don't believe a Coup d'etat will go far, even for a close win by Biden.
If he (trump) is defeated convinciling in the popular Vote and the Electoral College does not become a tool for trump to use, then he will have to go... Kicking and screaming like a child no doubt, nevertheless an undeniable win is what needs to happen. IMO
Oh, and I have no doubt trump/Republicans will cheat in any way they can.
Potential scandal unfolding regarding Democrat fundraising and suggestion of foreign involvement:
www.google.com
Putin?
Exclusive: Data shows that half of 2019 donations to ActBlue came from untraceable 'unemployed' donors
Less than two months ahead of the 2020 Presidential election – with concerns of foreign interference at the forefront following the calamity of 2016 – data harvested by the Take Back Action Fund and obtained exclusively by Fox News has identified another glaring loophole in campaign...
Putin?
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Potential scandal unfolding regarding Democrat fundraising and suggestion of foreign involvement:
Exclusive: Data shows that half of 2019 donations to ActBlue came from untraceable 'unemployed' donors
Less than two months ahead of the 2020 Presidential election – with concerns of foreign interference at the forefront following the calamity of 2016 – data harvested by the Take Back Action Fund and obtained exclusively by Fox News has identified another glaring loophole in campaign...
Putin?
A Fox News link about a conservative political group raising "serious concerns".
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