US election 2020 thread

[StoneRoad]

Apart from wasting their funds, maybe enough trumpists will end up boycotting the GOP senate candidates that the democrats win both seats in the approaching run-off.

 

[MickiQ]

Good thread here, her prediction is that trump’s lies about the election are quite likely to cost the gop it’s senate majority.

There’s something really satisfying in this, even if doesn’t actually happen it’s like an old fashioned cautionary tale.

If you sell your soul to the Devil, you shouldn't be surprised when he comes to collect it.

 

[MickiQ]

FFS, there's already been a recount by hand in Georgia, that proves there was no problem with the counting machines, what a bunch of fucking clowns.

Georgia Trump supporters fight on in court

It’s unlikely any of the lawsuits will lead to a second term for President Trump, but the lawsuits are a sign that some of the president’s supporters are not giving up.

bangordailynews.com

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Raffensperger has repeatedly said there is no evidence of widespread fraud or other problems in Georgia’s election. This week, he said he voted for Trump and contributed to his campaign, but he said he’s now “being thrown under the bus by him.”
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I am amazed that ANYONE is surprised by this

 

[Streathamite]

Apart from wasting their funds, maybe enough trumpists will end up boycotting the GOP senate candidates that the democrats win both seats in the approaching run-off.

Actually, that's what republicans are shit-scared of - that the constant undermining of the whole democratic and electoral process in Georgia could badly depress GOP turnout and screw their GOTV efforts.
The Guardian puts it quite well here.

On Thanksgiving – a day usually reserved for presidential platitudes – Trump broke with tradition and repeated those attacks in a now rare face-off with journalists. “I’m very worried about that,” Trump said when asked about his previous baseless claims of fraud in Georgia. “You have a fraudulent system.” He then called Georgia’s Republican secretary of state, Brad Raffensperger, who has defended the state’s election process, an “enemy of the people”.


Such attacks have Republicans worried as they seek to motivate Georgia voters to come to the polls in January, volunteer for their Senate campaigns and – perhaps most importantly of all – dig deep into their pockets to pay for the unexpected runoff races.


In particular Trump’s comments have spurred conspiracy theories that the state’s electoral system is rigged and prompted some of his supporters to make calls for a boycott of the coming vote – something that local Georgia Republicans desperately do not want. “His demonization of Georgia’s entire electoral system is hurting his party’s chances at keeping the Senate,” warned an article published by Politico.

 

[SheilaNaGig]

I worry and fear that this current nonsense will fuel an increase in the belief that the government is illegitimate, which will lead to internal terrorism.

There is a history of far right militia groups who already believe their government is illegitimate. I reckon there’s going to be an increase in bonkers preppers, apocalyptic thinking, race-war advocates & separatists, all that shit, finding confirmation in this “stolen election” stuff.

 

[SheilaNaGig]

This podcast, available on the BBC, follows and unwraps the story of Timothy McVeigh and the Oklahoma bomb.

BBC Radio 4 - Two Minutes Past Nine - Downloads

Podcast downloads for Two Minutes Past Nine

www.bbc.co.uk

It gives some idea of the way the far right underground have been operating

This stolen election bullshit, together with the BLM movement and the pandemic provides the far right undergorund with the ingredients for something really nasty.

I’m not talking about blow hards like the Proud Boys but the ones who are quietly living out their separatist fantasy.

 

[maomao]

This podcast, available on the BBC, follows and unwraps the story of Timothy McVeigh and the Oklahoma bomb.

BBC Radio 4 - Two Minutes Past Nine - Downloads

Podcast downloads for Two Minutes Past Nine

www.bbc.co.uk

It gives some idea of the way the far right underground have been operating

This stolen election bullshit, together with the BLM movement and the pandemic provides the far right undergorund with the ingredients for something really nasty.

I’m not talking about blow hards like the Proud Boys but the ones who are quietly living out their separatist fantasy.

You might like Culture Warlords by Talia Lavin though I haven't read much of it yet.

 

[SheilaNaGig]

You might like Culture Warlords by Talia Lavin though I haven't read much of it yet.

My brother (who lives in NY and works with psychologically aberrant people) has also mentioned this book.

I’ll check it out.

 

[rubbershoes]

This podcast, available on the BBC, follows and unwraps the story of Timothy McVeigh and the Oklahoma bomb.

BBC Radio 4 - Two Minutes Past Nine - Downloads

Podcast downloads for Two Minutes Past Nine

www.bbc.co.uk

It gives some idea of the way the far right underground have been operating

This stolen election bullshit, together with the BLM movement and the pandemic provides the far right undergorund with the ingredients for something really nasty.

I’m not talking about blow hards like the Proud Boys but the ones who are quietly living out their separatist fantasy.

There's a good one about Waco too

 

[SheilaNaGig]

There's a good one about Waco too

On the Beeb?

There are billions of podcasts and videos about Waco and Ruby Ridge. The “patriots” were all fired up after those two, but seemed less inclined to engage after the Oklahoma bomb. I think present events may well reinvigorate them.

 

[SheilaNaGig]

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[rubbershoes]

On the Beeb?

There are billions of podcasts and videos about Waco and Ruby Ridge. The “patriots” were all fired up after those two, but seemed less inclined to engage after the Oklahoma bomb. I think present events may well reinvigorate them.

here

 

[SheilaNaGig]

x

here

Oh yes, I listened to that one. Heartbreaking stuff.

 

[spring-peeper]

Change of game plan ---> If I can't prove fraud, then you have to prove the votes were legitimate

Trump claims Biden must prove votes weren't 'illegally obtained' in order to enter White House

President Trump on Friday claimed that President-elect Joe Biden must prove that the votes he received in the presidential election were not “illegally obtained” in order to enter the White House -- the latest sign that Trump is not giving up his efforts to challenge the result.

www.foxnews.com

 

[cupid_stunt]

Team Trump forked out $3m on recounts in two Wisconsin counties, one has finished, giving Biden a net gain, not by a lot, but still bloody funny.

A recount in Wisconsin’s largest county demanded by President Donald Trump’s election campaign ended on Friday with the president-elect, Joe Biden, gaining votes.

After the recount in Milwaukee county, Biden made a net gain of 132 votes, out of nearly 460,000 cast. Overall, the Democrat gained 257 votes to Trump’s 125.

Trump’s campaign had demanded recounts in two of Wisconsin’s most populous and Democratic-leaning counties, after he lost Wisconsin to Biden by more than 20,000 votes. The two recounts will cost the Trump campaign $3m. Dane county is expected to finish its recount on Sunday.

Joe Biden gains votes in Wisconsin county after Trump-ordered recount

Milwaukee recount, which cost Trump campaign $3m, boosts Democratic president-elect days before state must certify result

www.theguardian.com

 

[gentlegreen]

We're surely heading for Assange territory.

 

[bimble]

Just catching up with Sidney Powell and this is massive news: She is saying she has actual photographs of the cheque stubs used to pay people to do the 'ballot harvesting'. Because when you orchestrate a global fraud using software you always take care to also.. pay people by cheque.
If you're at all unclear as to what ballot harvesting is here's the explanation from 'gateway pundit', favourite news source for Sidney fans.

 

[bimble]

New very serious court case filed (not Sidney this time).
This one seeks to get Wisconsin to block certfication of election results & either do it all over again or pick its own electors.
Here's the killer argument, in the actual legal filing.

 

[redsquirrel]

Actually, that's what republicans are shit-scared of - that the constant undermining of the whole democratic and electoral process in Georgia could badly depress GOP turnout and screw their GOTV efforts.
The Guardian puts it quite well here.

Is there any real evidence backing this theory? After all Trump has been talking about voter fraud and stolen elections since 2016 and yet managed to increase his vote (in absolute terms).
The election results and poll results killer b posted illustrate that people are perfectly capable (on one level) of believing election's have/will be "stolen" and still vote. The "stealing" of elections is such a partisan issue that can work to get the base to turnout.

 

[quimcunx]

hey, i say that!!

And me!

 

[Dogsauce]

People rage against injustice - see how BLM got people out to vote. The voter fraud stuff is just about manufacturing a sense of injustice in conservative voters, because there aren’t really many genuine injustices they face (apart from capitalism obvs).

 

[maomao]

Everyone does, he's just having you on.

OK, I say it
ride / rode
Write / wrote
Dive / dove

Simple innit.

Those are past tense not past participles. 'I have dove' is wrong. It should be 'I have diven'.

 

[maomao]

Is there any real evidence backing this theory? After all Trump has been talking about voter fraud and stolen elections since 2016 and yet managed to increase his vote (in absolute terms).
The election results and poll results killer b posted illustrate that people are perfectly capable (on one level) of believing election's have/will be "stolen" and still vote. The "stealing" of elections is such a partisan issue that can work to get the base to turnout.

Which is exactly what happened in this election with increasingly blatant voter suppression. It made more people vote.

 

[bimble]

I don't think there's any 'real evidence' that the conspiracism thats taken center stage for diehard trump followers - as promoted by the president and his QAnon mouthpieces - will depress the vote, we'll know more after Georgia wont we.
I think it's true because of spending far too much time observing the loonosphere on the internet these past couple of weeks. These are people whose worldview is not at all invested in the republican party (anymore if it ever was), or in pedestrian worldly concerns like who controls the senate, but operates on a totally different plane, where they're engaged in a mystical battle between the forces of truth and the powers of darkness. How many of the people in Georgia who would usually turn up to vote republican have been swept up into this i have no idea.

 

[frogwoman]

Russia did play dirty tricks during the 2016 election. There's ample evidence of that. So there isn't a neat parallel with this year.

Dirty tricks in terms of facebook advertising not hacking into voting machines tho.

 

[redsquirrel]

I think it's true because of spending far too much time observing the loonosphere on the internet these past couple of weeks. These are people whose worldview is not at all invested in the republican party (anymore if it ever was), or in pedestrian worldly concerns like who controls the senate, but operates on a totally different plane, where they're engaged in a mystical battle between the forces of truth and the powers of darkness.

TBH I think the bolded bit is the problem. These people may be vocal but they are a very small minority of voters, and even then what they say and what they will do are rather different.

 

[bimble]

Yep we'll see. There's no question though that Trump has created a situation where a certain amount of people believe what he says and only what he says, how many that is idk. Also I don't see trump himself being motivated at all to help the GOP, why would he want to see other gop candidates succeed in states where he himself lost. He doesn't give a shit about the gop.

 

[rubbershoes]

New very serious court case filed (not Sidney this time).
This one seeks to get Wisconsin to block certfication of election results & either do it all over again or pick its own electors.
Here's the killer argument, in the actual legal filing.
View attachment 240790

Having prepared many legal documents myself, I can only say WTF.

 

[Yossarian]

The vote in Georgia was close enough that even a 1% drop in Republican support will ensure the Democratic candidates win the special election - but I think the few voters who will be swayed by the QAnon calls to boycott the election will probably be outweighed by the few voters who couldn't stomach voting for Trump but will vote for Republican Senate candidates because they don't want the Biden administration to pass any laws that could raise their taxes.

 

[bimble]

Quite interesting thing on Georgia / the general self-made hell that the GOP have created for themselves. Not exactly hard evidence that this will actually happen but evidence of cause for concern, for them.

Roger Stone-Tied Group Claims Dems Are Framing Them as Republican Party Turncoats

The group appeared to be encouraging Trump backers to either not vote in the GA runoffs or write in the president’s name. They now say it’s a lie.

www.thedailybeast.com

Republican official: Trump efforts to undermine Georgia results could 'suppress the vote' in U.S. Senate runoff elections

President Trump’s efforts to undermine the results of the November election in Georgia will “absolutely” hurt Republicans in two U.S. Senate runoff races there, an election official in the state said Monday.

news.yahoo.com

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