US election 2020 thread

[MickiQ]

New very serious court case filed (not Sidney this time).
This one seeks to get Wisconsin to block certfication of election results & either do it all over again or pick its own electors.
Here's the killer argument, in the actual legal filing.
View attachment 240790

I'm sure whoever wrote that is a Freeman on The Land Loon

 

[brogdale]

Just under $23k per vote.........for Biden.

 

[gentlegreen]

I know it's all disigenuous bollocks, but are they trying to "prove" that because there are errors, suddenly the whole US electoral system is questionable ?
If they re-ran the whole election, how would they do it ?

 

[strung out]

If they re-ran the whole election, how would they do it ?

No mail in voting and even more voter suppression tactics in non-white districts.

 

[bimble]

More from the enjoyable ‘GOP mired in shit entirely of their own making’ cautionary tale. Their chairwoman had a bad day in Georgia, constantly interrupted by the Powell wingnut brigade.

 

[Sue]

Having prepared many legal documents myself, I can only say WTF.

But I think you'll concede that having truth IN CAPS is a nice touch...?

 

[rubbershoes]

But I think you'll concede that having truth IN CAPS is a nice touch...?

Yes. Judges are ALWAYS impressed by capitals

 

[Sue]

Yes. Judges are ALWAYS impressed by capitals

If only you'd realised this earlier in your career.

 

[MickiQ]

Yes. Judges are ALWAYS impressed by capitals

One thing Judges are not impressed by is dickheads wasting their time on nonsense, clearly the US system is influenced by the UK one in this regard

 

[gosub]

Change of game plan ---> If I can't prove fraud, then you have to prove the votes were legitimate

Trump claims Biden must prove votes weren't 'illegally obtained' in order to enter White House

President Trump on Friday claimed that President-elect Joe Biden must prove that the votes he received in the presidential election were not “illegally obtained” in order to enter the White House -- the latest sign that Trump is not giving up his efforts to challenge the result.

www.foxnews.com

simples all you need is the people who over saw the election to sign it off, which they have

 

[SheilaNaGig]

bimble Have you been listening to the Americast podcast on the Beeb?

I’m finding it to be an entertaining round up of events.

John Sopel and Emily Maitliss with guests from the Washington press corp giving a kind of running commentary on what’s going on. No surprises, much the same ground being covered here but it’s interesting to hear the media’s informal take on things.

BBC Sounds - Americast - Available Episodes

Listen to the latest episodes of Americast on BBC Sounds

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[bimble]

Haven’t, I’m a bit crap at absorbing info from podcasts. Also seem to have veered off down a tangent now into being more interested in Qanon (as phenomenon) than whats actually going on day to day in the real world.

 

[SheilaNaGig]

Haven’t, I’m a bit crap at absorbing info from podcasts. Also seem to have veered off down a tangent now into being more interested in Qanon (as phenomenon) than whats actually going on day to day in the real world.

I’m glad you’re doing that work tbh. And grateful to you for sharing it here.

 

[bimble]

I’m glad you’re doing that work tbh. And grateful to you for sharing it here.

Dont encourage me!
But yeah it’s really interesting.
This is the thing I read today that added a bit to the picture, the Twitter qanons and hardcore trumpists have been moving to ‘Parler’ for a while to get away from the MSM leftist censorship of the election fraud TRUTH and this looks a bit under the lid of that little melting pot. Spoiler: It’s not good news.

Parler is bringing together mainstream conservatives, anti-Semites and white supremacists as the social media platform attracts millions of Trump supporters

Millions of supporters of Donald Trump have flocked to the far-right social media platform Parler, where hate speech thrives.

theconversation.com

 

[gentlegreen]

Presumably parler doesn't carry advertising ?

 

[bimble]

Presumably parler doesn't carry advertising ?

It has money from Rebecca Mercer (investor in Cambridge analytica & breitbart).

Parler - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[StoneRoad]

Although having them segregated over at parler will stop the pollution of the real world, it does make counteracting their sh1te much harder when they're in an echo-chamber like that. And, unfortunately, it also reduces the opportunities to de-brainwash the less strongly converted / committed ...

 

[SheilaNaGig]

Wasn’t there some odd issue with Parker recently....?

Hang on...

 

[SheilaNaGig]

Yeah, some sort of data breach that wasn’t really a data breach...

Parler Hack Claims Are Fake, CEO Says: 'They Are Just Obsessed With Us'

The term "ParlerHacked" became a trending Twitter topic in the U.S. amid baseless speculation that messages from Parler's high-profile users could have been compromised.

www.newsweek.com

Was Parler Hacked in November 2020?

Rumors ran wild about the right-wing social media site Parler's getting hacked, but so far, these claims are unsubstantiated.

www.snopes.com

While Twitter was buzzing about a fake Parler data leak, a hacker says he actually breached some use

www.techinvestornews.com

While Twitter was buzzing about a fake Parler data leak, a hacker says he actually breached some user data from the conservative social network

Hackers took data from a Parler email vendor, but the security of the platform itself is intact, the company's CEO says.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[JimW]

Wasn’t there some odd issue with Parker recently....?

Hang on...

There was a claim of a massive data breach that turned out not to have happened IIRC

 

[petee]

Those are past tense not past participles. 'I have dove' is wrong. It should be 'I have diven'.

 

[gentlegreen]

Although having them segregated over at parler will stop the pollution of the real world, it does make counteracting their sh1te much harder when they're in an echo-chamber like that. And, unfortunately, it also reduces the opportunities to de-brainwash the less strongly converted / committed ...

A useful place for the security services to trawl though ...(hopefully)

 

[bimble]

There was a claim of a massive data breach that turned out not to have happened IIRC

That was a weird story yeah. No doubt the users data will have been and continue to be of great interest to whoever thinks they can get those people to be of use to them though.

 

[SheilaNaGig]

I think there are several concurrent strands to worry about.

• long term damage to the democratic process and trust in that
• an increase in chatter around extremist ideology with the inevitable consequence of more people being dragged into that
• an increase in determination of separatists, Patriots and the underground far right, with a concomitant increased risk of internal terrorism
• the increasing possibility that the existing schisms will become more entrenched, resulting in further and greater separation and thereby, which feeds all the above

 

[SheilaNaGig]

That was a weird story yeah. No doubt the users data will have been and continue to be of great interest to whoever thinks they can get those people to be of use to them though.

Meanwhile, the ones who are most likely to be independently active in their intentions will be staying very much off the radar.

 

[SheilaNaGig]

This discussion has drifted away from the election and into something else.

Is it time for a dedicated thread? Post election apocalypse watch

 

[bimble]

Yep. To be able to watch (read) people being radicalised - from trump supporter to full rejection of reality, is quite a disturbing thing. It’s probably far fewer than it seems of course because the ones who are just sad he lost but accept it aren’t shouting on the internet.

 

[krtek a houby]

Yep. To be able to watch (read) people being radicalised - from trump supporter to full rejection of reality, is quite a disturbing thing. It’s probably far fewer than it seems of course because the ones who are just sad he lost but accept it aren’t shouting on the internet.

Would be interested in concrete numbers, as it feels like the alt right/Trumpist/qanon/fascist lot are omnipresent, sometimes. That's probably a result of spending too much time on the internet, mind...

 

[SheilaNaGig]

Would be interested in concrete numbers, as it feels like the alt right/Trumpist/qanon/fascist lot are omnipresent, sometimes. That's probably a result of spending too much time on the internet, mind...

Yer... I suspect and hope it’s a very voluble and exercised outlier group

But remember that the internet is now ubiquitous. And while we live in the Western bubble, I’m seeing this shit being reported in India, Africa, South America... the MSM is taking the piss there, just like here, but who the fuck knows how it’s playing out at grass roots level. Even if it’s dissociated from the primary story in villages slums favelas and bodegas I suspect it’s feeding into ripple stories. The pandemic is a global event: for the first time in our collective history we’re having a genuinely global experience. I don’t think I’m being Western-centric in supposing that this story is playing out everywhere with local variations (based partly on a friend telling me how people in a tiny Bolivian village wished him “happy Brexit” last year).



In any event, it’s been so huge and loud that it will inevitably hit some kind of saturation point and then plateau and drop to some extent.

Like any other kind of virus.

Someone somewhere is doing the number crunching and comparative computer modelling to see the way this burgeoned and what’s happens next.

We know that civil unrest follows the same trajectories as pandemic viral spread, *I can’t see how this shit would buck the universal trend.

But. The damage will ripple out for a long time , like chronic fatigue, inflammation, neurological damage etc follows illness. Apologies for the tortured medical metaphors but, y’know.



*I can’t link to any of the papers /articles on this phenomenon because my /the search algorithms are all Covid saturated. There was quite a lot of sociological chatter about it following the Arab Spring, with specific studies looking at how social media is rhe vector for the viral information. Someone on here will be able to provide links, but also common sense and logic.

 

[Dogsauce]

It has money from Rebecca Mercer (investor in Cambridge analytica & breitbart).

Parler - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The frightening thing is how someone like Mercer can basically change the world to suit their interests. Money in everything, Breitbart, Brexit, Trump. Full spectrum dominance. This is why we shouldn’t have billionaires. For all the shit about Soros, he’s nothing to the influence and power of Mercer, the Kochs etc. The ‘Grand right-wing conspiracy’ is a very real thing.