US election 2020 thread

[Pickman's model]

Is it? Is it not from The Simpsons?

no

 

[Santino]

Is it? Is it not from The Simpsons?

That was 'embiggen', which is a perfectly cromulent word.

 

[brogdale]

lol whatever guys. Just erase the last 4 years of liberal hysterics and say it's all a right-wing problem if you like.

The point about broader legitimacy of the democratic process seems fair, but the party political implications of the respective scepticism appear potentially more damaging for the GOP by splitting off a chunk of the base that will not forgive the party from moving on from the losing candidate.

 

[Pickman's model]

Oh no, that’s embiggen

that's not a simpsons coining either

from the oed

 

[littlebabyjesus]

To be fair that poll was taken two years after the election a proper comparison on this cannot be made until 2022 , how many democrats were waiting for the kraken to be unleashed 3 weeks after the 2016 election is a better comparison any numbers on that?

A proper parallel in two years' time would be one in which some aspects of Powell's mad theories actually turn out to be true. It's not 'liberal hysterics' to say that Russia meddled with the US election in 2016 (at the very least, they engaged in various forms of 'trolling'), and that is a crucial difference.

 

[killer b]

I wasn't wanting to make exact comparisons, I just wanted to demonstrate the very large numbers of democrats who're also prone to believing wild conspiracy theories, which this poll does very well.

 

[gentlegreen]

cromulent .

I hope I can avoid deliberately learning and using that one

Meanwhile I'm probably stuck with "gotten" through hanging out with Americans online - but never "dove" as the past participle of "dive"

 

[Orang Utan]

I hope I can avoid deliberately learning and using that one

Meanwhile I'm probably stuck with "gotten" through hanging out with Americans online - but never "dove" as the past participle of "dive"

Gotten is not an Americanism

 

[gentlegreen]

Gotten is not an Americanism

In terms of current usage though ?... perhaps it's because of where I live ?

The most jarring American usage to my ear is how they don't use "an" when preceding a noun beginning with a vowel

 

[existentialist]

Surely the truth of the matter is irrelevant. If people believe it happened, then the decrease in trust of the electoral system is the same.

And, as we have spent the last four years regularly being reminded, truth is no counter to firmly-held belief.

 

[maomao]

Gotten is not an Americanism

Yes it is. Etymology is irrelevant.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Gotten is not an Americanism

Yeah it is. It's one of the many Americanisms that are older forms than the British usage, but it is slipping back into the UK from the US.

 

[quimcunx]

In terms of current usage though ?... perhaps it's because of where I live ?

The most jarring American usage to my ear is how they don't use "an" when preceding a noun beginning with a vowel

It's been part of my lexicon since forever. I suspect it never went out of usage in scotland.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Isolated communities generally conserve older forms of language.

 

[Orang Utan]

In terms of current usage though ?... perhaps it's because of where I live ?

The most jarring American usage to my ear is how they don't use "an" when preceding a noun beginning with a vowel

I’ve always used it and I’m not American

 

[Orang Utan]

Yeah it is. It's one of the many Americanisms that are older forms than the British usage, but it is slipping back into the UK from the US.

Nope

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I’ve always used it and I’m not American

Fair enough. Let me modify then. It is an Americanism and it is also said in certain British dialects.

 

[Orang Utan]

Fair enough. Let me modify then. It is an Americanism and it is also said in certain British dialects.

Nope. It’s used by Brits and Americans like other words that we share

 

[killer b]

jesus christ why can't you ever admit you've got something wrong?

 

[Orang Utan]

jesus christ why can't you ever admit you've got something wrong?

Who? I’m always admitting I’m wrong

 

[killer b]

Who? I’m always admitting I’m wrong

we cross posted.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

jesus christ why can't you ever admit you've got something wrong?

It's still an Americanism. That some UK people also say it doesn't change that.

I'll reverse it if you like: Saying 'got' rather than 'gotten' is a Britishism, but one not shared by all Brits.

 

[killer b]

you said that already, I don't think saying it again makes it more true.

 

[Orang Utan]

It's still an Americanism. That some UK people also say it doesn't change that.

Yes it does. How is a word that has always been in use British English an Americanism?

 

[gentlegreen]

Using "good" instead of "well" is also a northernism I think...

 

[StoneRoad]

Will he, or won't he ?
anyone placing bets ...

US election: Trump signals he is prepared to leave White House - BBC News

 

[JimW]

Yes it does. How is a word that has always been in use British English an Americanism?

It's just getted that way over time.

 

[Orang Utan]

It’s like saying football is an Americanism cos lots of Americans play it

 

[littlebabyjesus]

It’s like saying football is an Americanism cos lots of Americans play it

No it's not. It's more like saying that 'soccer' is an Americanism despite the fact that the word was coined in Britain.

 

[Orang Utan]

No it's not. It's more like saying that 'soccer' is an Americanism despite the fact that the word was coined in Britain.

Idiot