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butchersapron
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Could someone do a graph for Paul Mason's mid-life crisis please - something along the lines of David Yaffe's velocitometer maybe?
butchersapron
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The youth the youth the youth (esp graduates and young professionals) - there's a piece in the next issue of British Journal of Political Science that shows the youth are now far to the right of thatchers children across all measures of traditionally understood social liberalism - and it was labours lack of challenge to this under blair that has effectively normalised this.
Thatcher’s Children and Blair’s Babies: A trickle-down theory of value change. (pdf)
Thatcher’s Children and Blair’s Babies: A trickle-down theory of value change. (pdf)
I don't know about the actual result but didn't Owen Smith poll better among younger member/supporters than Corbyn? or did I misremember?
butchersapron
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I'd be surprised at that - healthy poll lead amongst 18-24 year olds before the election. Don't recall any results breakdown yet,
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cantsin
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it was some bollocksy sounding Yougov poll, endlessly quoted by Progress shills etc, not based on actual ( presumably available ) data
actually I didn't, I'm sure I remember something earlier than that but can't find it googling - though I did come across that poll and was about to post myself.You mean the exit poll from YouGov inva?
YouGov do warn that the 18-24 category is one of their smallest sample sizes, so maybe not too reliable anyway.
cheers though
I hope for Paul Mason's sake that's the case
butchersapron
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Yougov have to make their data available. And they don't do stuff without data. I really don't remember this one.
cantsin
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sorry.I meant, not based on the actual voting data, which exists, but maybe isnt available yet.
butchersapron
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Eh? Based on what then? Polling? If so they have to make it availible.
If the actual voting results then all sorts of people are in all sorts of trouble.
cantsin
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their own polling data ?
butchersapron
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Which they have to make availible to all - yet it doesn't seem to be anywhere. I really think this is just a misrembering.
I'm sure I remember it being talked about on a thread here but there's nothing come up in the search results. I might have managed to imagine a poll and a conversation about it, probably all the excitement of the leadership election getting to me
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
You mean the exit poll from YouGov inva?
The future is generation is clearly a lost cause. Whiny remain-voting Smith supporters. The little shits need to have their ears twisted by their mums. Go and clean your rooms and think about what you fucking voted for. Don't come down for tea until you're ready to apologise.
ska invita
back on the other side
thanks for this - i felt it in my bones to be the case....capitalist realism is a big part of this though...the old "easier to imagine the end of the world than to imagine the end of capitalism"...still potentially an open door to push on rather than deeply held with conviction ideological beliefs I think
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
The future is generation is clearly a lost cause. Whiny remain-voting Smith supporters. The little shits need to have their ears twisted by their mums. Go and clean your rooms and think about what you fucking voted for. Don't come down for tea until you're ready to apologise.
Oh I dunno, seems to me if the consensus you grow up in is neoliberal, while you're still too young to realise how utterly fucked you are and how much of the talk of "you can succeed if only you believe/try hard enough" is garbage a right-wing trend will develop - but that doesn't necessarily mean it'll stick when reality, the first kid, the barren jobs market, the horrors of the welfare state etc come calling.
The narrative's up for grabs really, just depends on whose answers come through loudest. As a young liberal/leftie my generation (the 25-39 bracket) was pretty much entirely uninterested in socialism when I was 18, too few trade unionists to even measure on the charts, and now they're polling harder for the Labour left than the 40-59ers. We remain pretty shite as an age bracket mind you, big ideas about voting unconnected to thoughts about rebuilding solidarity unionism etc (God people in their 30s and picket lines, don't get me started), but still.
thanks for this, it's a good read.
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
I am not convinved his assessments are necessarily watertight.
Here's todays:
Aaron Bastani@AaronBastaniChatting to education activists from 2010: "if Ed Miliband had half the bottle of Corbyn, coalition would have been over within 6 months"
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
thats a line pusheed by telegraph wankers has been for some time
J Ed
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James McFadden
if it moves, look at it
"even if her feminism is unlike my own"
my presidential campaign will be intersectional or it will be bullshit
my presidential campaign will be intersectional or it will be bullshit
crossthebreeze
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She fully supports Hilary the "soft-neoliberal", but is still a little bit anarchist though, all governments are her enemy , but she wants Hilary to be her enemy because she can respect her 
Also if you don't see something to celebrate in Hilary you are a misogynist 
Also if you don't see something to celebrate in Hilary you are a misogynist 
Ole
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Well slap my bum and call me Sally.
Has she started red-baiting against Russia yet? That's next.
butchersapron
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James McFadden
if it moves, look at it
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