Urban v's the Commentariat

[Belushi]

She also has a very rosey view of polyamory. That's not to say poly relationships can't work well, but the notion that they are less complicated than monogamous ones is just..

 

[equationgirl]

Did we ever discuss this?

Edit: not endorsing this bloke, not had time to research further, just never remember it coming up before

That article rings a bell, and if she had misrepresented him then a) that's not a surprise given her form and b) it's sloppy journalism which plays into the hands of people like him.

The comments are something special though.

 

[Theisticle]

Who could forget this gem from Penny last year:

Of course, polyamory isn't always political. People do it for all sorts of reasons, from grand ethical statements to boredom – managing the drama of multiple relationships is a great way to kill time on a Sunday afternoon. Personally, I started practising non-monogamy in my early 20s as a statement against the tyranny of the heterosexual couple form and the patriarchal nuclear family – but then again, I did a lot of silly things for similar reasons in my early 20s. If you'd asked 21-year-old me why precisely I was hanging half-naked out of a fourth-floor window on Holloway Road, I'd probably also have answered "as a statement against the tyranny of the heterosexual couple form". Nowadays, from the wise and serious vantage point of my mid-20s, I practice non-monogamy because it works for me. It doesn't work for everyone, and I might not choose it forever.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/20/polyamorous-shows-no-traditional-way-live

 

[Bakunin]

That article rings a bell, and if she had misrepresented him then a) that's not a surprise given her form and b) it's sloppy journalism which plays into the hands of people like him.

The comments are something special though.

It's quite an effort to look past the hyperbole and very obvious agenda but, I'd have to admit, his allegations of being misrepresented are unusually detailed for somebody trying to discredit a hack. Normally they just come out with 'I didn't say that' or 'That's not what I meant at all' but this chap is picking precise parts that he claims are misrepresentative. There are also a lot of individual points that he takes issue with, and all within a single paragraph. Picking apart the entire piece (assuming he's 100% accurate) would likely bring up more little nuggets based on the single paragraph he complaining about.

I also think we should be a little careful about discussing this piece, seeing as he states at the end that he's considering a defamation suit. I'd also be very interested in seeing her answer these accusations, but I'm not holding my breath on that score.

 

[smokedout]

what it means if she lied is that Laurie sees being homeless or unemployed as legitimate points of attack, that's how she smears someone, they're a pov, don't listen to them

 

[DaveCinzano]

...Laurie sees being homeless or unemployed as legitimate points of attack...

Except when it pays better - politically or professionally - to paint oneself as either (or both). Just think of the spokes on the wheel of oppression as Pokémon - gotta catch 'em all!

 

[equationgirl]

It's quite an effort to look past the hyperbole and very obvious agenda but, I'd have to admit, his allegations of being misrepresented are unusually detailed for somebody trying to discredit a hack. Normally they just come out with 'I didn't say that' or 'That's not what I meant at all' but this chap is picking precise parts that he claims are misrepresentative. There are also a lot of individual points that he takes issue with, and all within a single paragraph. Picking apart the entire piece (assuming he's 100% accurate) would likely bring up more little nuggets based on the single paragraph he complaining about.

I also think we should be a little careful about discussing this piece, seeing as he states at the end that he's considering a defamation suit. I'd also be very interested in seeing her answer these accusations, but I'm not holding my breath on that score.

I had a bit of a look but I couldn't see a response from her.

 

[equationgirl]

Except when it pays better - politically or professionally - to paint oneself as either (or both). Just think of the spokes on the wheel of oppression as Pokémon - gotta catch 'em all!

Which we know she has done from her tweets - wasn't there one recently about her being homeless in London when in fact she'd missed the last tube to Heathrow and just couldn't be arsed going back home?

 

[DaveCinzano]

Which we know she has done from her tweets - wasn't there one recently about her being homeless in London when in fact she'd missed the last tube to Heathrow and just couldn't be arsed going back home?

A little bit homeless - she knows our pain!

 

[weepiper]

Pretending to be homeless because you've missed your tube is a little bit communism.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Pretending to be homeless because you've missed your tube is a little bit communism.

It's Temporary Autonomous Not Zone 6

 

[The Pale King]

That article rings a bell, and if she had misrepresented him then a) that's not a surprise given her form and b) it's sloppy journalism which plays into the hands of people like him.

The comments are something special though.

Sure are! This was a particular favourite:

"In her facile article Laurie Penny said this, ‘Feminism, for instance, is not in reality a strategy cooked up by left-wing women so we can take all of men’s power and money for ourselves and turn them into sex slaves.’ Err. Actually it is – just precisely that."

...Doesn't sound too bad to me tbf, I for one will welcome our new overlords (-ladies?)... Bring on the gynocracy!

 

[toggle]

Sure are! This was a particular favourite:

"In her facile article Laurie Penny said this, ‘Feminism, for instance, is not in reality a strategy cooked up by left-wing women so we can take all of men’s power and money for ourselves and turn them into sex slaves.’ Err. Actually it is – just precisely that."

...Doesn't sound too bad to me tbf, I for one will welcome our new overlords (-ladies?)... Bring on the gynocracy!

I'm getting sex slaves?

I need to go have another look at the handbook, I must have missed that bit.

 

[Wilf]

Which we know she has done from her tweets - wasn't there one recently about her being homeless in London when in fact she'd missed the last tube to Heathrow and just couldn't be arsed going back home?

I was a shepherd in a nativity play once. I hope you aren't denying the authenticity of my experience?

 

[Rural]

It's childish hey everyone i had sex crap. Juvenile.

It's what glosswitch called "smugsexual" on Twitter which caused several meltdowns

 

[Frances Lengel]

I was a shepherd in a nativity play once. I hope you aren't denying the authenticity of my experience?

Don't try to lie - You were the back end of a sheep. And being from Heywood christ knows what was done to you.

 

[Frances Lengel]

Who could forget this gem from Penny last year:



http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/20/polyamorous-shows-no-traditional-way-live

precariously employed young queer people from Sheffield.

I don't even know why but that's tickled me.

 

[The Pale King]

I'm getting sex slaves?

I need to go have another look at the handbook, I must have missed that bit.

Yeah, I think our commentor has told us more about himself than about feminism with that one tbf

 

[toggle]

Yeah, I think our commentor has told us more about himself than about feminism with that one tbf

pass the mindbleach please.

 

[co-op]

is 'from the river to the sea Palestine will be free' a contentious slogan?

The implication that "the jews" - Israelis, whatever - should be driven into the sea seems pretty clear to me. Even if the slogan is unspecific; there's a mealy-mouthed nod-nod-wink-wink element to that which just makes it sound dodgier to me personally.

Given the regularity with which the whole "anti-semitic" trope is wheeled out in defence of the [victimised jews and their only defender, the] Zionist regime it's always best to play safe imo. Losing the moral high ground in a propaganda war with Zionists is an impressive example of shooting yerself in the foot.

 

[killer b]

ok. I thought it was just a call for a return to the pre-1967 borders.

 

[Lo Siento.]

ok. I thought it was just a call for a return to the pre-1967 borders.

1967 Palestine stretches from the River to Jerusalem, then has a big slice of Israel in the Middle before we get to Gaza and the Sea.

 

[Lo Siento.]

Of course, since the facts on the ground have changed there's no plausible possibility of a 2-state solution now anyway, so the distinction makes little sense...

 

[killer b]

you're right. pre 1945 then, which basically means the eradication of Israel altogether. I understand why it might be a little contentious now...

 

[frogwoman]

I wonder what the average gazan's stance on polyamory is. I think we should know the answer to this question before we give them our #solidarity

 

[el-ahrairah]

the author of the polyamory article has come onto the facebook thread to defend it. it is as hilarious and tragic and wrong-headed as you might imagine. it looks like they've got laurie's replacement perfectly chosen.

 

[DotCommunist]

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the author of the polyamory article has come onto the facebook thread to defend it. it is as hilarious and tragic and wrong-headed as you might imagine. it looks like they've got laurie's replacement perfectly chosen.

don't be shy, give us a C+P of the choicest things to mock.

 

[el-ahrairah]

1. the "if you don't agree with me you're a bad person" combined with the "words only mean what i think they mean not what you think they mean"

 

[el-ahrairah]

2. the "you didn't understand me" combined with the "i'm really clever and know more than you"

 

[el-ahrairah]

3. the "ignoring a serious question"