Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

[bluescreen]

Yeah, he alternates with gold, black, and purple.

Apologies for the derail, but this is a joke, surely?
I mean, I couldn't resist a two second google, but that's because almost anything is credible about that man's idea of being a Tsar.
Is there actually a source for this scurrilous rumour?

 

[kebabking]

Apologies for the derail, but this is a joke, surely?
I mean, I couldn't resist a two second google, but that's because almost anything is credible about that man's idea of being a Tsar.
Is there actually a source for this scurrilous rumour?

It's gen.

I made it up 10 minutes ago. Absolutely solid.

 

[bluescreen]

It's gen.

I made it up 10 minutes ago. Absolutely solid.

Gen short for genius. It deserves wider circulation. Might even get it into the mainstream if it's repeated often enough.

 

[teqniq]

This sounds totally awful:

Battle of Bakhmut: Ukrainian soldiers worry Russians begin to ‘taste victory’

Editor's note: The Kyiv Independent is not revealing the soldiers' surnames or the exact location of their deployment due to security concerns amid the ongoing war. Some military personnel spoke without the authorization of their commanders or a press officer. DONETSK OBLAST – Just days before...

kyivindependent.com

 

[gosub]

Yeah, he alternates with gold, black, and purple.

Obviously never read Douglas Adams Long Dark Tea Time of the Soul. Something to be said for linen sheets

 

[TopCat]

This sounds totally awful:

Battle of Bakhmut: Ukrainian soldiers worry Russians begin to ‘taste victory’

Editor's note: The Kyiv Independent is not revealing the soldiers' surnames or the exact location of their deployment due to security concerns amid the ongoing war. Some military personnel spoke without the authorization of their commanders or a press officer. DONETSK OBLAST – Just days before...

kyivindependent.com

First person account of a fifty four year old soldier.

 

[Bingoman]

Putin has left Russia to visit Crimea so his on safe ground there atm

 

[hash tag]

 

[Spymaster]

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Almost commendable attention to accuracy there but should be a capital T in "the".

 

[The39thStep]

Do the US recognise the ICC?

In some ways, yes.

US threatens to arrest ICC judges if they pursue Americans for Afghan war crimes

The United States threatened Monday to arrest and sanction judges and other officials of the International Criminal Court if it moves to charge any American who served in Afghanistan with war crimes.

www.france24.com

 

[hash tag]

Almost commendable attention to accuracy there but should be a capital T in "the".

I think it was meant as a not so subtle play on words.

 

[editor]

India? South Africa? What about Brazil and other South American states?

What do you think of the charges against Putin?

 

[kebabking]

What do you think of the charges against Putin?

Moustache not big enough, craven following of the Capitalist fashion for suits and not the more traditional Responsible Workers Uniform, but full marks for the other stuff.

 

[TopCat]

What do you think of the charges against Putin?

I think countries that refuse to recognise the ICC are not in a position to accuse others of ICC infringements.

As for the actual charges, in this propaganda war it’s impossible to judge the truth of any evidence.

What’s your view? I ask as you usually only come on this thread to attack posters rather than put forward a viewpoint?

 

[LDC]

As for the actual charges, in this propaganda war it’s impossible to judge the truth of any evidence.

That's just an intellectually lazy (or politically convenient) opt out. Anyway evidence is for the court which hasn't sat yet obviously, but you think there's not enough to issue a warrant even?

And the warrant is for Ukrainian children being forcibly deported, of which there is plenty of first hand testimony and NGO investigations showing that this has happened. To dismiss that all as 'impossible to judge the truth of' is incredibly fucked up, not a very good look being a denier of the forcible deportation and resettlement of children is it?

 

[editor]

I think countries that refuse to recognise the ICC are not in a position to accuse others of ICC infringements.

As for the actual charges, in this propaganda war it’s impossible to judge the truth of any evidence.

What’s your view? I ask as you usually only come on this thread to attack posters rather than put forward a viewpoint?

I think Putin's hands are dripping with blood and there seems to be plenty of independent sources verifying the disgusting, vile war crimes that he's accused of. He's a piece of shit solely responsible for the deaths of thousands of men, women and children. May he rot in hell.

I hope that's clear enough for you.

 

[editor]

I think countries that refuse to recognise the ICC are not in a position to accuse others of ICC infringements.

As for the actual charges, in this propaganda war it’s impossible to judge the truth of any evidence.

Did all those homes, businesses and residential blocks all blow themselves up, then?

 

[TopCat]

I think Putin's hands are dripping with blood and there seems to be plenty of independent sources verifying the disgusting, vile war crimes that he's accused of. He's a piece of shit solely responsible for the deaths of thousands of men, women and children. May he rot in hell.

I hope that's clear enough for you.

And how do you feel about being on the side of the US, given their responsibility for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocents in your life time?

 

[TopCat]

Team Ronald Regan in flow today.

 

[StoneRoad]

two wrongs don't make a right ...

but learning from the past might make you a better person

 

[Chz]

And how do you feel about being on the side of the US, given their responsibility for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocents in your life time?

That's like saying the Earth is round and how do you feel about being on the side of the US with that?
(though they probably have more flat earthers than most!)

 

[TopCat]

two wrongs don't make a right ...

but learning from the past might make you a better person

Many people not only don’t learn from the past but are wilfully ignorant regarding history.

 

[TopCat]

That's like saying the Earth is round and how do you feel about being on the side of the US with that?
(though they probably have more flat earthers than most!)

No it’s not at all. If you lay down with dogs you get fleas. To regard the US as a force for good in this conflict is insane.

 

[Chz]

No it’s not at all. If you lay down with dogs you get fleas. To regard the US as a force for good in this conflict is insane.

Thinking that Putin is a criminal is not regarding the US as a force for good.
Thinking that he's not a criminal just because the US backs that view is the very definition of a strawman argument.

 

[TopCat]

Thinking that Putin is a criminal is not regarding the US as a force for good.
Thinking that he's not a criminal just because the US backs that view is the very definition of a strawman argument.

I think all wars are crimes in essence. To kill is abhorrent. To side with the US though just shows a moral bankruptcy which I find repugnant.

 

[editor]

And how do you feel about being on the side of the US, given their responsibility for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocents in your life time?

I'm on the side of the civilians being killed, maimed and bombed out of their homes, the women and girls being raped, the old people being left for dead, the hapless, inexperienced soldiers being thrown into a meat grinder battlefield, and all those suffering poverty and misery because of Putin's war.

 

[Rob Ray]

Has anyone said the US is a force for good though? I feel like you're mistaking people "reluctantly accept Ukraine needs to get guns from somewhere" for "have abandoned criticism of the US entirely." I'd reckon almost everyone on this forum (and most people in any forum, for that matter) would readily agree that the US is not in this for the sake of any moral code.

 

[editor]

Thinking that Putin is a criminal is not regarding the US as a force for good.
Thinking that he's not a criminal just because the US backs that view is the very definition of a strawman argument.

Absolutely. It's a desperate, pathetic line of argument.

 

[TopCat]

I'm on the side of the civilians being killed, maimed and bombed out of their homes, the women and girls being raped, the old people being left for dead, the hapless, inexperienced soldiers being thrown into a meat grinder battlefield, and all those suffering poverty and misery because of Putin's war.

You’re on the side of the US. Check your hands, they may well be a bit red.

 

[editor]

You’re on the side of the US. Check your hands, they may well be a bit red.

How is being against the wholesale massacre of civilians and the devastation of homes somehow adding up to 'being on the side of the US'?

It's a bizarre line of reasoning.