Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

[Pickman's model]

The guest on sky news has said there moves to get Russia removed from the UN security council

Good luck with that. If they didn't kick China off for their Uyghur genocide, for the killing of millions in the Great Leap Forward, etc or the United States for their numerous aggressions then I don't think they'll do it for Russia now

 

[Bingoman]

Good luck with that

I'm not sure how that would work and how it would be implemented

 

[Pickman's model]

I'm not sure how that would work and how it would be implemented

they may want to. they may even try to.

articles 5 & 6 of the un charter:

Article 5​

A Member of the United Nations against which preventive or enforcement action has been taken by the Security Council may be suspended from the exercise of the rights and privileges of membership by the General Assembly upon the recommendation of the Security Council. The exercise of these rights and privileges may be restored by the Security Council.

Article 6​

A Member of the United Nations which has persistently violated the Principles contained in the present Charter may be expelled from the Organization by the General Assembly upon the recommendation of the Security Council.

but if china doesn't veto something like that then russia certainly will, so it's basically a dead letter

 

[Bingoman]

they may want to. they may even try to.

articles 5 & 6 of the un charter:

Article 5​

A Member of the United Nations against which preventive or enforcement action has been taken by the Security Council may be suspended from the exercise of the rights and privileges of membership by the General Assembly upon the recommendation of the Security Council. The exercise of these rights and privileges may be restored by the Security Council.

Article 6​

A Member of the United Nations which has persistently violated the Principles contained in the present Charter may be expelled from the Organization by the General Assembly upon the recommendation of the Security Council.

but if china doesn't veto something like that then russia certainly will, so it's basically a dead letter

Thank you never knew that

 

[TopCat]

He has said he doesn't recognise the court

Do the US recognise the ICC?

 

[Pickman's model]

Do the US recognise the ICC?

no is the short answer but United States and the International Criminal Court - Wikipedia

 

[two sheds]

They don't recognize it for ethical reasons though.

 

[JimW]

Blackballed by the MCC next.

 

[Bingoman]

Blackballed by the MCC next.

It's just not cricket

 

[Yossarian]

Blackballed by the MCC next.

Putin will always have a place in the Murdering Cunts Club

 

[Bingoman]

Where do China do as they are due to visit Russia and Putin next week

 

[maomao]

Where do China do as they are due to visit Russia and Putin next week

What? All of them?

 

[TopCat]

Where do China do as they are due to visit Russia and Putin next week

Does China recognise the ICC?

 

[Bingoman]

Does China recognise the ICC?

Not according to wikipedia and the reporter on sky news

 

[TopCat]

Not according to wikipedia and the reporter on sky news

India? South Africa? What about Brazil and other South American states?

 

[maomao]

India? South Africa? What about Brazil and other South American states?

Yes to South Africa and Brazil. No to India.

Full list here:

The States Parties to the Rome Statute | International Criminal Court

A|B|C|

asp.icc-cpi.int

No India, China, US or Russia which is approaching half the world's population between the 4 of them.

 

[TopCat]

Yes to South Africa and Brazil. No to India.

Full list here:

The States Parties to the Rome Statute | International Criminal Court

A|B|C|

asp.icc-cpi.int

No India, China, US or Russia which is approaching half the world's population between the 4 of them.

It’s a bit incongruous.

 

[maomao]

Not recognised by Ukraine!

 

[Bingoman]

Not recognised by Ukraine!

That's very interesting

 

[TopCat]

Not recognised by Ukraine!

Fabulous.

 

[TopCat]

Reminds me of Trump trying to enforce that agreement against Iran.

 

[JimW]

Bit of a Jackie Weaver situation.

 

[WouldBe]

He has said he doesn't recognise the court

Doesn't matter if he doesn't.

 

[maomao]

For accuracy they have signed but not ratified it and have cooperated with the court in the past.

 

[kabbes]

What? All of them?

Great bunch o’ lads.

 

[existentialist]

He has said he doesn't recognise the court

I'm sure someone will show him where it is, and once he's visited it a few times, he'll be able to recognise it OK.

 

[kebabking]

I'd probably need a short sit down if Putin ever appeared there...

However, it's a bit more pressure, 'friends' and neutrals being a bit warier, fewer places he can go. If you're signed up to the ICC, and Putin turns up for a diplomatic visit, you're bound by the treaty that underpins the ICC to arrest him. Neither host not visitor will want that, so he doesn't go places - ever.

His usefulness to other power structures in Russia - and acceptableness(?) to other friendly/helpful states - has been reduced, not by a half, or a third, or a quarter, bit a bit, and it's not about silver bullets, it's about salami slicing, and eventually there'll be a tipping point.

And on the same day that Erdogan announced that Turkey will ratify Finland's accession to the North Atlantic Treaty - What a fucking day, as Putin will have said as he climbed into his gold silk sheets...

 

[TopCat]

I'd probably need a short sit down if Putin ever appeared there...

However, it's a bit more pressure, 'friends' and neutrals being a bit warier, fewer places he can go. If you're signed up to the ICC, and Putin turns up for a diplomatic visit, you're bound by the treaty that underpins the ICC to arrest him. Neither host not visitor will want that, so he doesn't go places - ever.

His usefulness to other power structures in Russia - and acceptableness(?) to other friendly/helpful states - has been reduced, not by a half, or a third, or a quarter, bit a bit, and it's not about silver bullets, it's about salami slicing, and eventually there'll be a tipping point.

And on the same day that Erdogan announced that Turkey will ratify Finland's accession to the North Atlantic Treaty - What a fucking day, as Putin will have said as he climbed into his gold silk sheets...

Gold in colour?

 

[Raheem]

Gold in colour?

White when he goes to bed, gold when he gets up. Will happen to us all one day.

 

[kebabking]

Gold in colour?

Yeah, he alternates with gold, black, and purple.