Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
neutron bombs all the way down then
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
Ok cool. How do you plan to make Russia stop otherwise?
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
Does Russia have no agency? Why is it only the US risking WW3?
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
damn yankees want to share the fun
TopCat
Putin fanboy
How does the current “plan” stop the Russians?
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
It creates a Vietnam type scenario to ensure they don't try this again for a long time.
A pretty shit scenario really.
strung out
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It's stopping them from invading the whole of Ukraine. It's stopping them from carrying out genocide and atrocities against civilians across the whole of the country. It's stopping them from turning their eyes towards the Baltic nations and beyond.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
you seem to forget what happened in vietnam in the end
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
Vietnam won and the US didn't get involved in another major overseas war for some time because of the anti war feelings it created?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
the yanks pulled out and the evil communists united the country. the lesson being the united states can't be relied on to be there for the duration, and if you watch what the republicans are saying in washington it may be that once again the yanks abandon an ally
Yossarian
Get thee behind me, Santa
rubbershoes
not the only raver in the village
tbf Vietnam was a very different type of war. US had the conventional military power but didn't win as that wasn't the type of war they were fighting. No front lines, counteroffensives etc
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
They're spraying it (well, missing it) with jet fuel apparently.
Seems like an awful waste.
ska invita
back on the other side
If the republicans get in and the US withdraw support it will be interesting to see what France and Germany do. I expect they won't maintain the arms.
nogojones
spelling is overrated
It kept the USA in check for nearly 20 years. I don't think they did any serious invading after they lost Vietnam until Grenada.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
the problem was that was the war they were fighting, while the vietnamese had rather different ideas on how the combat might go. it wasn't that there were no front lines, it was everywhere was a front line.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
you're looking at it the wrong way, invasions aren't the americans' first port of call - you miss out all the other activities of the 1960s and 1970s - i think i've mentioned the alliance for progress above (might of course be on another thread), the interventions in latin and central america - bolivia, el salvador, colombia and so on. kept the americans in check my arse
e2a: not to mention ford giving suharto the go ahead to invade east timor East Timor Revisited, american power not simply expressed through us invasions
Idris2002
Christmas Eve, you know?
My guess is that Washington's plan is to twist Big Z's arm until he agrees to a deal that stops the war, while also being basically a sell out.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
the country's already been sold
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Especially given the price of fuel.
Yossarian
Get thee behind me, Santa
"See? In Russia fuel is so cheap we can afford to piss it all over our enemies"
friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
You mean the arrival of Robin Williams? That was awful that part.
friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
I suppose that was as close to pissing on it as the pilot could do without putting him/herself in danger.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Interesting article on Wagner's prisoner army based on interviews with those who have returned and received their pardons
www.reuters.com
Wagner’s convicts tell of horrors of Ukraine war
Reuters tracked down and interviewed five Russian prisoners who fought in Ukraine in return for freedom. They gave the most detailed insider account yet of Wagner's convict army.
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