Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24
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littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Twitter's a valid source of information. 95% of what is posted there right now by random people from the front line will be bollocks, though.
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
I think the events that unfolding are world changing and the situation is fast moving and escalating. the situation is horrifying - and fucking terrifying in its potential implications. So people are stressed. Its important this thread doesnt descend into personal arguments and aggressive thread policing. They're may be new people joining (this happened with 9/11 and the Iraq war) or people who dont usually post in the politics forums.
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Im an old time (1999) but not prolific poster here - so that covers some big events . At those times Urban 75 is a fantastic resource for getting detailed information discussed by people with a lot of relevant knowledge and where moderators keep out the obvious trolls and fuckwits. Its great at filtering out bullshit, and debunking fake news. Right now its invaluable for anyone - like me - who is trying to get their heads round what the fuck is going on. If theres a place on the internet that does that better - ive not found it. Big appreciation to Mike for what he made and the work the mods do.
So yeah - this needs its own forum.
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Im an old time (1999) but not prolific poster here - so that covers some big events . At those times Urban 75 is a fantastic resource for getting detailed information discussed by people with a lot of relevant knowledge and where moderators keep out the obvious trolls and fuckwits. Its great at filtering out bullshit, and debunking fake news. Right now its invaluable for anyone - like me - who is trying to get their heads round what the fuck is going on. If theres a place on the internet that does that better - ive not found it. Big appreciation to Mike for what he made and the work the mods do.
So yeah - this needs its own forum.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
cough editor cough
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
Thing is a lot of the better discussion spins of from one of the twitter posts.
I think a new forum with, hopefully, the discussion split between multiple threads would be better.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
that's an excellent point that is easy to get obscured by the fast moving stuff.
indeed
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
He's gonna be cross.
RileyOBlimey
Well-Known Member
Charming as well.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
Nervous itsu meals with someone who won’t foot the bill without a calculator
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Yeh people will be sent to bed without their dinner
Also it doesn't say much about people's attitude to those with actual mental health conditions when mad or insane is used as a pejorative. It's quite possible to be reckless, foolish, arrogant, brutal or inconsistent, and even to act out of rage, sadness, ignorance, hubris or emotional exhuastion, without being 'mad' or 'insane' In fact it's pretty much default human behaviour, and it's lazy and stigmatising to accuse anyone who acts in ways you don't like, can't empathise with or don't understand, of being 'mad'.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
I think it’s own forum would be to much but a thread for excitable Twitter link sharing and a soft ban actively enforced at first on Twitter posts in here
I get why people do it, hell I do it but it gets to much.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
This, very much this
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
You might find that you'd get a better reaction from some people if you got rid of that picture of Johnson. Every time I read one of your posts subconsciously I think it's coming from him.
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
If this was done chances are the non-twiter thread would just die.
RileyOBlimey
Well-Known Member
It’s an interesting and relevant image. I like it.
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
Ok. Fuck off then.
RileyOBlimey
Well-Known Member
Tough man.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Cos too many threads don’t get read.
Often the commentless Twitter links are more interesting/of value than the comments that go with them. People just need to think before they post when throwing Twitter links on here
elbows
Well-Known Member
The madness angle goes nowhere useful, it remains more useful to look at the strategic stuff via testimony like the following instead:
Its from the start of February and it includes stuff about Georgia, Armenia and Belarus, as well as the Kremlins perception of the USA and Europe. Its got plenty of stuff in it that demonstrate why Putins Russia sensed a window of opportunity was there to be exploited, and also some of the ways they may have miscalculated.
Russia's assault on Ukraine and the international order: Assessing and bolstering the Western response
Fiona Hill testifies before the U.S. Commission on Security and Cooperation in Europe on Russia's assault on Ukraine and the international order.
www.brookings.edu
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
His second video. A really good explanation about the speed of armoured advances, the different levels of training between different types of Russian soldiers and how they don't have the night vision people thought they did. Its 20 minutes but I think worth it. And it has a few gags still...
Bingoman
Well-Known Member
We could see the capital fall within the next 48 hour I reckon
8ball
1,200 lights
What kind of bomb, delivered from what distance with what kind of plane, what size of refinery?
8ball
1,200 lights
All in one straight line along a single location. Convenient.
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
It's odd isn't it? You'd think those much touted Turkish drones would be all over it wouldn't you? I don't understand the thinking of either side in relation to these convoys.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Well yes, it does beg the question why are they not being bombed to buggery, but the fact that they aren't is obviously because something's preventing it. I guess destroying columns of heavily armed advancing vehicles isn't as straightforward as it looks.
RileyOBlimey
Well-Known Member
There’s claims Ukraine only bought 12 of them. Russia has also claimed for have downed a number of them. They may not have the kit left. However, the Scum have published drone strikes on Russian missiles alleging it was filmed today. So, who knows?
8ball
1,200 lights
Your knowledge seems more up to date than mine.
Weller
So ermm ... You know ermm
17 mile convoy of troops and equipment is that a normal tactic
According to Reuters Zelenskiy asking again for a no fly zone due to the extra bombardment today even when negotiations were happening could that in any way at all happen without escalating it massively to a wider war its all getting increasingly worrying what Putin may do if left with no exit or cant see it happening but a no fly zone accident that kicks things off big time
This all looked like impossible situation to be in at least so very quickly to me last week Ukraine really could have done with that iron dome defense system that Israel refused over worries it would damage relations with Russia that seems ccrazy now but expect that may have caused the invasion anyway in itself is all a mess crazy crazy couple of years for history
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