emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
There really are a few. Or perhaps to be fully fair to them. Support the Russian invasion of Ukraine and see it ad positive thing.
Which is fucking insane to me.
Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24
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Which is fucking insane to me.
krtek a houby
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Afaics, the posters who may be perceived as supportive of the Russian invasion are for the most part, highlighting the hypocrisy of the US, and concerned about far right elements within the Ukraine resistance.
Pretty sure that you and them don't wish for more bloodshed. Obviously, it's not down to a bunch of passionate commentators on urban.
A compromise may be the only way to halt the war. Maybe even giving up territories.
Which will be tough to swallow, but better than the use of nukes.
I don't know what the answer is - am not an expert in geopolitics and warfare.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
sure that's just your interpretation tho, and your ability to interpret's at best questionable
Skinny Ethel
Well-Known Member
It would be similar to getting a covid injection off Harold Shipman if you were 85 years old.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Shipman's still dangerous from beyond the grave I hear
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
I will give you some credit your position is presented with more sophistication than others.
But let me explain a bit more about human communication for you.
You can infer a lot about someone's position on a subject with the following information.
The things they chose to say directly
The way in which they say those things
The information that they think is worth sharing
The things they choose not to say (this one is oftern missed but it very important)
Who they chose to argue in support of
Who they chose to argue against
As sIlly as it sounds in an environment lIke urban even which posts they choose to like
Lots of other things I didn’t think of.
Let's take an example, let's say someone never outright stated their position but only ever posted stories about Russian successes never Ukrainian ones. Most people would reasonable interpret this as meaning they favour Russia. But if every post implied upset or disappointment, then instead most people will think they favour Ukraine but have a pessimistic outlook.
Do you see how that works? How ideas are communicated?
This for the reocrd is why I and many others say there are posters here who support Russia without them having to type out the words, it's Just obvious form their behaviour.
So yes my interpretation of you posting on this thread is you favour a Russian victory. Unlike TopCat I don't think you are exactly happy about any of it no gless at dead, but I do think it is your preferred outcome. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only poster who thinks that either. Maybe I'm wrong buy I seem to remember that initially you came across as more neutral than you do now.
If you feel that is grossly wrong, well if multiple people are getting the same impression maybe you could consider looking at why you are communication that impression to multiple people and is there something you can do to change that impression. Or you can decide you don't care. Up to you.
Oh and just so it doesn't get lost because you do like to deflect. Please remember that I was echoing your own words back at you so anything you say about me applies just as much to you.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
I expect a Russian victory is more probable now. I have never said, suggested or implied any desire for such an outcome. Anyone who is genuinely anti-war can't pick a side in a war and then back it - to echo your words back to you, wanting the US driven out of eg Vietnam,wanting them to lose, is desiring a side to prevail.
I've said there's no good outcome for this current conflict, whether Ukraine or Russia prevail on the field or in the negotiating chamber. And there isn't, great unhappiness will last for decades in Russia and Ukraine because of this stupid war.
I don't feel the need to line myself up alongside people cheering for one side or the other. I don't feel the need to constantly signal my virtue as some other people do by eagerly anticipating things that will never happen, like putin being imprisoned over this. And it's really stupid to adduce from this, as you do, that I favour a Russian victory.
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
On the first paragraph we are at least in full agreement.
As for the second but you do line yourself up with them?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
that's not the second paragraph. the first paragraph is the second paragraph.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
What a depressing thread of armchair war-mongering on all sides.
I'm not in any sort of position to say what Ukrainian (or Russian for that matter) civilians should do in the face of Putin's despotic aggression but a distanced discussion would be a better read than the posturing and performative condemnations that some here find themselves falling into.
I'm not in any sort of position to say what Ukrainian (or Russian for that matter) civilians should do in the face of Putin's despotic aggression but a distanced discussion would be a better read than the posturing and performative condemnations that some here find themselves falling into.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
What utter nonsense.
The only war mongering going on here is coming from those who'd see Putin's disgusting aggression rewarded with negotiations that would see Ukraine lose masses of their sovereign territory, and his filthy thugs go unpunished for the mass rape and murder of Ukrainian civilians.
The most revolting aspect of their position is that it's not, in any way, motivated by concern for the Ukrainian victims, but by their own childishly wanky politics and desire to see an ally of "The West" lose.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
They don't want peace. They want a Russian victory.
If the war ended with a humiliating Russian withdrawal tomorrow they'd be gutted.
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