UK music industry, bands, work permits and Brexit

[editor]

Fucking cunting fucking Brexit

Touring Europe if there’s no Brexit deal

 

[8ball]

Fucking cunting fucking Brexit

Touring Europe if there’s no Brexit deal

Taking back control.

 

[pesh]

i'm out for 7 weeks from the 26th, i'm just ignoring everything. its always worked in the past.

 

[Pickman's model]

Fucking cunting fucking Brexit

Touring Europe if there’s no Brexit deal

 

[ViolentPanda]

And, get this, musicians from the UK managed to perform in Europe long before we joined the EU, without any real issues, The Beatles were performing in Germany long before they became famous.

So why should that change after we leave?

Not entirely accurate. There were all sorts of weird rules whereby if a British band performed in Europe, a European band had to be allowed to gig in the UK. That didn't get set aside until the mid-60s, and caused a lot of aggro even afterwards, as musician's unions in all the different countries wanted barriers kept up in order to keep their music 'pure'.

 

[ViolentPanda]

THIS GOES DOUBLY FOR LIBCOM ANARCHISTS THAT ABSTAINED AND LAID INTO BREXIT VOTERS FOR USING MIGRANTS AS COLLATEROL, WHAT DID YOU THINK YOU WERE DOING WHEN YOU SPOILED YOUR BALLOT YE THICK CUNTS

I sort of forgive any who spoiled their ballots with the sign of the spunking cock, but if they just scribbled over it, then chuck 'em on a pyre.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I think treelover's nicked your login

Ooh, you complete bitch!!!

 

[ViolentPanda]

Is a translation available?

Yes. Translated, it says 'that 8ball. What a cunt'.

HTH

 

[ViolentPanda]

I can spell thick racist cunt.

It's spelled j-o-h-n-s-o-n, isn't it?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Did Bono and Sting also sign ?

'Oh sting, where is thy death?'

My favourite Shakespeare quote.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Quoting a post that’s nearly a year old to have a dig was far more important.

Fucking liberal!!!

 

[Pickman's model]

'Oh sting, where is thy death?'

My favourite Shakespeare quote.

Dubversion's auld tagline

 

[Proper Tidy]

Not entirely accurate. There were all sorts of weird rules whereby if a British band performed in Europe, a European band had to be allowed to gig in the UK. That didn't get set aside until the mid-60s, and caused a lot of aggro even afterwards, as musician's unions in all the different countries wanted barriers kept up in order to keep their music 'pure'.

Not a subject I know much about so could be wide of mark here, but wasn't that more to do with the power of the musician unions (here and elsewhere)?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Not a subject I know much about so could be wide of mark here, but wasn't that more to do with the power of the musician unions (here and elsewhere)?

Partly, but also partly to do with capital controls, etc.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

I sort of forgive any who spoiled their ballots with the sign of the spunking cock, but if they just scribbled over it, then chuck 'em on a pyre.

I don’t mind them spoiling em but if they want to talk about collateral damage they did themselves have the option of voting remain.

(Or, rather it’s a BS argument in any case)

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

Thanks for year old bump I see I was even more annoying last year

 

[editor]

Update:

The new Brexit Deal and Political Declaration published today does not fix any of the problems that musicians will face in a post-Brexit world. It is disappointing to see that the government has not dealt with these issues despite the clear and repeated arguments that have been made by the Musicians’ Union.

Over the past two years we have explained on many occasions that freedom of movement within the EU is vital to most working musicians.

Tours that happen beyond the EU are always very costly and time-consuming to put together, not least because of the complex visa, carnet and paperwork requirements. European touring has been much easier – with the ability to tour to 27 European countries without any need for visas or work permits for musicians or carnets (temporary export licenses) for instruments.

Many of our members visit several European countries over the course of a week, often with very little notice, and do this on a regular basis. Anything that hampers their ability to do this is potentially catastrophic for our members’ careers.

This new deal doesn’t deal with any of the issues musicians will face. Indeed, because the commitment to the ‘single customs territory’ has been removed this would appear to confirm that goods will need to be checked at borders meaning that this deal could be even more damaging than the previous one brought forward by Theresa May.

New Brexit Deal Does Nothing for Musicians says MU

 

[editor]

Brexit just keeps on giving

UK bands now have to pay import duty and VAT on ALL merchandise before even entering Europe to tour

 

[editor]

Update:

As Britain now coasts into Brexit, music industry names continue to voice their fears over the uncertain future that faces homegrown touring artists. Last year, the value of the UK’s live music scene surged to £1.1billion, but now many say the implications of Brexit could be “devastating” to artists wishing to tour Europe.

Its thought that the extra expenses incurred and added paperwork relating to Visas, taxation and transporting equipment and merchandise will make crossing the Channel “completely unviable” for new and mid-level artists. Tens of thousands have already signed a petition by the Musicians’ Union calling for a new passport that will allow acts and crew to travel freely between EU member states, ridding them of new required permits.

“It’s OK when you’re a big-time act and you can afford to swallow costs, but if you’re the average or emerging artist then you’re hand-to-mouth,” Isle Of Wight Festival boss and music agent John Giddings tells NME. “If it’s going to cost more money to tour there or you’re going to have to take extra days off, then it’s not going to be financially possible.”

“Counting on the government for anything is the biggest waste of time going. Brexit is going to do serious harm to touring in Europe,” adds Giddings. “If you have to import and export your equipment in and out of each country, it’s going to take longer to do. There will be more travel days, and every day you’re on the road you have the overhead of staff, hotels and everything that goes with it. It will increase the overall cost of everything.”

"It's going to be devastating" – here's how Brexit will screw over British touring artists

But all is not lost – sign the petition now to grant British artists a Musicians’ Passport to make touring Europe easier

www.nme.com

 

[Marty1]

I am old enough to remember when it was the left that wanted out of the EU, and referendum results were respected.

Do you remember Labours Bob Cryer? Almost a forerunner to Farage.

From approx 5mins 15secs.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Update:

"It's going to be devastating" – here's how Brexit will screw over British touring artists

But all is not lost – sign the petition now to grant British artists a Musicians’ Passport to make touring Europe easier

www.nme.com

Bizarre. That petition is asking for what’s in place to stay in place, namely Schengen.

The live music industry has been booming in recent years and is a good way of gaining exposure and for making money, but the live music industry is fucking catastrophic environmentally and if we’re serious about combating climate change we need to cut down on this form of entertainment.

 

[editor]

Bizarre. That petition is asking for what’s in place to stay in place, namely Schengen.

The live music industry has been booming in recent years and is a good way of gaining exposure and for making money, but the live music industry is fucking catastrophic environmentally and if we’re serious about combating climate change we need to cut down on this form of entertainment.

The entire music industry is not 'catastrophic' and there's far worse offenders to vent your spleen at - like private execs flying around in big jets on their own, or billionaires burning up vast amounts of resources for their own over-indulgences. That said, mega bands going on endless global tours need to find ways to cut down their carbon emissions.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

The entire music industry is not 'catastrophic' and there's far worse offenders to vent your spleen at - like private execs flying around in big jets on their own, or billionaires burning up vast amounts of resources for their own over-indulgences. That said, mega bands going on endless global tours need to find ways to cut down their carbon emissions.

Whether it is Iron Maiden in a 747 or a start up in a transit, there’s loads of people making loads of journeys to provide entertainment to others. Surely there’s a better way than 1000’s of people continually moving around all the time..?

 

[SpookyFrank]

Whether it is Iron Maiden in a 747 or a start up in a transit, there’s loads of people making loads of journeys to provide entertainment to others. Surely there’s a better way than 1000’s of people continually moving around all the time..?

This from the bloke who once bragged about having a model flown into London from New York for a single morning's work.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

This from the bloke who once bragged about having a model flown into London from New York for a single morning's work.

I do that kind of thing day in, day out. It’s not great. I also do travel for some mid-level bands, some of my colleagues who specialise in music travel do tours for the biggest names going. It is shocking just how many flights, limos, coaches, trucks etc. are needed to provide this entertainment.

BB1 will be going to Dublin to see My Chemical Romance and Paris to see Billie Eilish this summer, I will see the Killers in London, they and their massive crew will come over from the States, just like they did last summer. And so on.

Like I said, if we are to be serious about it, we need to change the way this entertainment is delivered.

 

[Marty1]

I do that kind of thing day in, day out. It’s not great. I also do travel for some mid-level bands, some of my colleagues who specialise in music travel do tours for the biggest names going. It is shocking just how many flights, limos, coaches, trucks etc. are needed to provide this entertainment.

BB1 will be going to Dublin to see My Chemical Romance and Paris to see Billie Eilish this summer, I will see the Killers in London, they and their massive crew will come over from the States, just like they did last summer. And so on.

Like I said, if we are to be serious about it, we need to change the way this entertainment is delivered.

Or an introduction of a carbon tax to these globe trotting bands?

 

[keybored]

Or an introduction of a carbon tax to these globe trotting bands?

I'd introduce an oxygen tax on you first.

 

[editor]

Whether it is Iron Maiden in a 747 or a start up in a transit, there’s loads of people making loads of journeys to provide entertainment to others. Surely there’s a better way than 1000’s of people continually moving around all the time..?

People make far more journeys to work every single day, with many being sole occupant cars. A van full of musicians going up the M1 is hardly an eco disaster.

 

[The39thStep]

Do you remember Labours Bob Cryer? Almost a forerunner to Farage.

From approx 5mins 15secs.

Cryer was ,albeit in the Labour Party, a left winger. There was a long tradition within Labour of left opposition to the Common Market and the EU. Their basic line was the working class had fought fot the vote to elect a Parliament and therefore Parliament was sovreign not the EU.They saw it as a bosses club and opposed to the interest of the British working class. After the catastrophic defeat of the miners strike the TUC (which had effectively backed Kinnock rather than the miners) invited the EU President to adress the TUC and ended up embracing the EU as a supposed restraint on the Tories . Blairs succession to the Labour leadership pretty much completed Kinnocks dismantling of the left (Kinnock himself ended up coining it in as an MEP) won Labour to 'a third way' , removed Clause 4 subsequently and Labours left opposition to the EU like the Labour left dissipated into ether. Cryer would have eaten Farage for life tbh.

 

[Saul Goodman]

People make far more journeys to work every single day, with many being sole occupant cars. A van full of musicians going up the M1 is hardly an eco disaster.

People usually only make one journey to work each day But most of them don't fly to America to work.
Bahnhof Strasse is right. The music industry needs to change the way it delivers music, and anybody who pretends to give a fuck about the environment shouldn't be flying around the world on a whim.