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They might in today's climate. Other industries seem to be at least putting on a show of cleaning up.
UK captains of industry have charity night where they sexually assault young female 'hostesses'
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They might in today's climate. Other industries seem to be at least putting on a show of cleaning up.
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Yeah, you did. That sullied feeling....you owe me at least a couple of quid for it
BemusedbyLife
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Really? you wouldn't try and chat up the hot waitress? Assuming of course you're not married or in a relationship (neither true in my case), no girl should have to put up with being groped but you don't think you shouldn't ask her if she is free tomorrow night?
It is, or least decriminalised.. Unless of course you are planning on running a brothel.
Wilf
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Indeed.
No, I'd let her get on with her job, realising that her being friendly and maybe even a little flirty is as much of a work uniform as her outfit is.
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chilango
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FridgeMagnet
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Is this a trick question?
elbows
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Is this a trick question?
I can't believe it isn't what he didn't say it wasn't.
likesfish
You can't park here sir
quite a few girls who went travelling funded them by hostessing in Japanese clubs everyone knew and obeyed the rules no touching and no meeting people outside the club no matter how much they offered.
annoying is somebody trying to chat you up while pissed not groping or trying to get you pissed thats not what people signed up for.
annoying is somebody trying to chat you up while pissed not groping or trying to get you pissed thats not what people signed up for.
Spymaster
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Pickman's model usually does it for half that.
No. We should not be normalising and endorsing behaviour such as men groping the women who are bringing them drinks. It doesn’t matter whether it was contractually agreed in advance between the organisers and the women or not. It teaches acceptance of assault, which harms all women, not just those in the room.
Pickman's model
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no, after you've had your take you give me £2.50, pa
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Small robot you know
there's some truth to that but then should anything that normalises untoward behaviour be restricted?
lap dancing clubs, strippers, chippendales and esp anything violenct...martial arts, full contact sports,movies, lyrics, etc
that's a bit puritan for me. Not to mention stepping all over people's rights.
it seems there are two options being touted. One to accommodate peoples wanton desires as safely as possible and the other to attempt to change the culture and those wanton desires.
I don't think these sorts of desires can be suppressed, they'll surface in some form in an unregulated environment. That has to be the worst possible option.
BemusedbyLife
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These girls were hired to serve drinks and look pretty and the partygoers turned out to be a bunch of assholes whose behaviour was shameful, but let's assume they didn't and behaved as well as I hope you or I would under these circumstances.Is this a trick question?
If at the end of the evening and you had a pleasant evening flirting with a pretty girl are you suggesting that you wouldn't ask if you could take her somewhere more private the next evening? If so why because she was paid to be there and you were a guest?
OK she says no thank you then fine you have to a gentleman about it but are you saying you consider it socially unacceptable to even ask?
Hang on. So what if someone has a wanton desire? What right do they have to have it fulfilled? A peado has a wanton desire.
This post reads like something from a nambla member.
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a nambla rambler
FridgeMagnet
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Er, yes? Women who are nice to you while serving drinks aren't there because they signed up for some weird speed dating event, it's their job.
8ball
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My local has a sign with some very similar wording to this above the bar.
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A pedos wanton desire necessarily requires the consent of someone who can't consent. Adults that want to pay each other for sex is a totally different thing.It's got fuck all to do with anyone else other than that we attempt to make sure there's no coersion involved.
chilango
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Well, I wouldn't have spent the evening flirting with someone employed to "host" me for starters.
Yep. That's exactly what I'm saying.
Pickman's model
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and you think simple payment removes coercion.
tell you what, if i offer you a million pounds for sex would your consent be freely given? if the alternative to 'ok big boy' is 'fuck off without your pay' is your consent freely given?
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I'm going to come back to this as this sort of shit really grinds my gears. I appreciate you're young so I'll try and play the ball not the man, I'm not having a go at you but the underlying assumptions in your post.
I've just reached 40 and I have met this attitude a 1000 times in my life, in fact a couple of friends have it. The justification of 'because we're male / its what men do'. The wink wink guys code, don't worry we'll say the right things until the girls have gone then we can get back to being male again.
The justification for the behaviour is that as males we can't help ourselves, its somehow in our DNA and as males we're all the same - the only difference is some guys lie about it or hide it better. Its not my fault, I can't help myself - its just what guys do - right guys? Back me up here... etc etc et bloody cetera
Well, I tell you what! I've never done it, loads of guys I've met and are friends with don't behave that way. Its a choice like any other choice, those who have this attitude are choosing to behave that way, they either think its OK or its not. Make no mistake though, if you want to act in a shitty way it has nothing to do with a particular combination of chromosomes or how they identify its your shitty behaviour, you own it - don't drag the rest of us down and use us as self-serving justification.
Rant over.
I'll tell you what you head down to any red light district and see the desperate girls there and give them the benefit of your views on consent.
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You think they'd rather their line of work was illegal and they had to work the streets? No solution is going to make being on the game a good prospect.
Wilf
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'Quiet word with the organisers'... of the rich men only event were women were 'presented' to the punters, forced to wear specific underwear, told not to allow their boyfriends anywhere near etc. Wonder how that conversation would have gone:
'There was a lot of sexual harassment, assault and men exposing themselves the other night. Will you change things for next year?'
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