Tory UK EU Exit Referendum

[Pickman's model]

I see all humans first.

then who do you see?

 

[Pickman's model]

In my opinion you both belong to same bracket F bas*ards. First learn to do debate without using abuse as it's a resort often taken by losers and low life guys.

which are you, a loser or a low life guy?

 

[Santino]

In no way am being racist etc. with anyone. I see all humans first. Then comes working out whose behavior is civil and else wise. To keep eyes open for the safety of civil society. So in the current topic I said that because we need to look at how EU countries who have allowed good no. of migrants that includes people from Pakistan as well are facing various problems. If it was just some economic issues then it was OK. But crimes of the nature that is going on is not acceptable at least to me. If majority is OK with it then great as it's a democracy and I fully support w/o any influence democratic decisions.

For a racist your command of English is very poor.

 

[Fisher05]

Learn to swear properly, you fucking bastard cunt.

Seems you feel that for yourself that's why you believe that for others...

 

[Santino]

See?

 

[Fisher05]

Command of English doesn't matter much. But intent does always. And my intent for genuine refugees is clear that they should be supported but not anyone using disguise of that to make his bad intentions succeed... That's it. Main point of my post is their should not be any blind inward permissions for all but careful one. It will itself resolve the whole matter as per the expectation of all civil society members.

 

[J Ed]

See?

I wouldn't say poor, but he doesn't exactly write like a native speaker of English. Hmmm...

 

[Santino]

He's trying to tell us something, I just know it.

 

[Santino]

Their should not be any blind inward permissions for all but careful one! That's what I've been saying for years.

 

[Santino]

I've been saying all along that genuine refugees should be supported but not anyone using disguise of that to make his bad intentions succeed. It's pretty basic stuff.

 

[J Ed]

Is he a Putinbot?

 

[Pickman's model]

He's trying to tell us something, I just know it.

 

[Pickman's model]

Is he a Putinbot?

it's a shitbot

 

[Pickman's model]

Seems you feel that for yourself that's why you believe that for others...

in this case it's definitely not me it's you

 

[gosub]

In my opinion you both belong to same bracket F bas*ards. First learn to do debate without using abuse as it's a resort often taken by losers and low life guys.

You are second blow-in in a month to arrive and head straight for for this thread, having completely misjudged the timbre of these boards. I leave it to the mods as to whether you add anything.

 

[Pickman's model]

You are second blow-in in a month to arrive and head straight for for this thread, having completely misjudged the timbre of these boards. I leave it to the mods as to whether you add anything.

he'll blow out again, don't you fuss young gosub.

 

[gosub]

he'll blow out again, don't you fuss young gosub.

Well,as fun as a pool of piranhas can be, there is some sensible discussion here that it gets in the way of. We'll still have Greebozz to tell us what's in the Daily Mail.

 

[Pickman's model]

Well,as fun as a pool of piranhas can be, there is some sensible discussion here that it gets in the way of. We'll still have Greebozz to tell us what's in the Daily Mail.

why not cut out the middleman and occasionally have a glance at that paper yourself?

 

[gosub]

why not cut out the middleman and occasionally have a glance at that paper yourself?

If I'm in the pub and board bored I'm allowed to do my local's copy crossword.

 

[Pickman's model]

If I'm in the pub and board I'm allowed to do my local's copy crossword.

drill not plank (5)

 

[ffsear]

Odds on remain have shortened to 2/9 (1.23) now.

 

[ViolentPanda]

You worrying about the rise of the far right, Greebozz? For real?!

Now fuck off like you said you would.

What's especially putrid is that there's no analysis whatsoever as to why there might be a rise in right-wing sentiment in some European states.

 

[Greebozz]

The point is what information is at the disposal of general masses that can affect their decision on this topic. Currently when I see reports what these mix of migrants and refugees are doing in european countries with locals make me feel bad. The crime rate has rapidly gone up it includes good no. of sexual assaults on females etc. They don't assimilate into local culture, ethics, values etc. they just love impose their own system on whole local system. EU country security services are struggling to cope up with rapid influx of so called refugees(some are while some are migrants with purpose..). The import of cargo is also giving easy invite to ISIS jehadis. So potential of instability in these countries is pretty high.

I do know where you're coming from, everything is so politically correct, it's all about the way you express yourself. It's the same with me with all the BS in the media it makes one long to express oneself in a non-varnished way, it's the same with me.

What you said is largely true and you have the media covering up information for fear of stirring up racism, and while I can understand I feel that the world gone mad. In the UK hospitals have gone into the red and accident and emergency department have been overwhelmed but you'll never hear a journalist discussing the reasons why that might be because if he did it be accused of being a racist.

In regards to immigration, the expansion of Muslim culture, British way of life changing forever etc narrative. For some people it is extremely emotional and painful, myself included. Others are not bothered by it at all, or think it's a good thing. It varies enormously if you are a immigrant yourself son or daughter of an immigrant or are from a Muslim community, then one may have a different point of view than someone who's lived all their life here and felt their communities become more alienating places filled with foreign voices and alien religions.

As I mentioned in my other post, you're looking at things the way I did through the eyes of self-interest, self protection, defending, securing but that is not really a loving way to be. Sure bad people might come into this country that we should do us harm, but how will they learn a better way of being.

Point being on a spiritual level everyone is equally valuable. People really want to come to Britain because it's a great place, has a great National Health Service. If the good things Britain have to offer are shared then that is a kindness.

For myself and probably a few others it is extremely painful seeing the way things are going with Europe in terms of sovereignty been diminished and anyone being able to live here from the EU. But everything changes if the vote is to remain in Europe, maybe good things will come of it, is certainly good karma or good intention to welcome people want to come to Britain, they will have better lives and any impact due to overcrowding and other issues isn't probably going to be that bad. It may even lead to more direct action and even revolution and lead to a fairer society.

The point is be at peace within yourself. Whatever the situation is it's not as bad as being conquered by another country a fate that many had to deal with for years. An example of which being the former Soviet bloc countries.

I'm not saying people here who vote to stay in Europe are doing so out of kindness, they're probably just motivated by liking the attractive men and women coming from Europe and worries about fear messages from the government about the economy.

 

[ViolentPanda]

In my opinion if UK won't exit EU now then it holds greater risk of losing it's identity once in 5-10 years middle east asian migrants become dominant force in selecting next govt. It will slowly move towards a semi to fully shariah compliant nation. It might take some 10 years time to show the symptoms to some people.

So the thing is we should be more careful about this EU migrant/refugee issue hidden reports over what it is really about...

I don't think Brexit will hurt scotland, ireland etc. issues. Nor it will impact UK's business as has been made to believe. It will infact become more stable over long term, lesser job problems then EU over the period of time, more peace...

Nor do UK will face defence issues as it is part of NATO which will remain as it is.

WTF is a "middle east asian migrant" when it's at home, and what does "fully shariah compliant nation" mean?

You are aware that religious courts are constitutionally subsidiary to law courts, and that they cannot enforce any decision that isn't in keeping with the law, aren't you?
Are you one of those people who believes that a thousand years of accumulated law, custom and precedent will be set aside because a minority even within the British Muslim community demand it?

 

[kabbes]

Fuck off, racist.

 

[Pickman's model]

I do know where you're coming from, everything is so politically correct, it's all about the way you express yourself. It's the same with me with all the BS in the media it makes one long to express oneself in a non-varnished way, it's the same with me.

What you said is largely true and you have the media covering up information for fear of stirring up racism, and while I can understand I feel that the world gone mad. In the UK hospitals have gone into the red and a need to palms have been overwhelmed but you'll never hear a journalist discussing the reasons why that might be because if he did it be accused of being a racist.

In regards to immigration, the expansion of Muslim culture, British way of life changing forever etc narrative. For some people it is extremely emotional and painful, myself included. Others are not bothered by it at all or think it's a good thing. It varies enormously if you are a immigrant yourself son or daughter of an immigrant or are from a Muslim community, then one may have a different point of view than someone who's lived all their life here and felt their communities become more alienating places filled with foreign voices and alien religions.

As I mentioned in my other post, you're looking at things the way I did through the eyes of self-interest, self protection, defending, securing but that is not really a loving way to be. Sure bad people might come into this country that we should do us harm, but how will they learn a better way of being.

Point being on a spiritual level everyone is equally valuable. People really want to come to Britain because it's a great place, has a great National Health Service. If the good things Britain have to offer are shared then that is a kindness.

For myself and probably a few others it is extremely painful seeing the way things are going with Europe in terms of sovereignty been diminished and anyone being able to live here from the EU. But everything changes and if the vote is to remain in Europe, maybe good things will come of it, is certainly good karma or good intention to welcome people want to come to Britain, they will have better lives and any impact due to overcrowding and other issues isn't probably going to be that bad. It may even lead to more direct action and even revolution and lead to a fairer society.

The point is be at peace within yourself. Whatever the situation is it's not as bad as being conquered by another country a fate that many had to deal with for years. An example of which being the former Soviet bloc countries.

I'm not saying people here who vote to stay in Europe are doing so out of kindness, they're probably just motivated by liking the attractive men and women coming from Europe and worries about fear messages from the government about the economy.

no one will ever read this through

 

[ViolentPanda]

I am very confused within myself about the in and out debate, because to me remaining in Europe is a kindness and a sacrifice worthy of Jesus, Buddha or Allah.

It's a sharing out of what this country has to offer to those that have less and is also a sacrifice in turns of quality of life and in physical safety.

It's the complete reverse of the idea of a country being self-interested, on the one hand it scares me on the other hand it blows my mind. I see many practical negatives to staying into the EU but they are only negatives for the people in this country. People migrate and choose to work in Britain from places which are sometimes far poorer and less enlightened.

The sacrifice for the existing population, is increased rent in house prices, longer waits for hospital treatment, larger school sizes, resources being diverted for non-English-speaking pupils. Siblings being split up due to scarcity of school places, more competition when jobhunting.

There is also a sacrifice of accepting in showing care to the small percentage that wish to kill us. And the money spent on de-radicalisation programmes. There is the pain of areas and neighbourhoods that become no-go that once belonged to everyone.

But this sacrifice is the true heart of spiritual practice. We should allow ourselves to become poorer to help the many who have less. This includes the migrants desperate to get out of the Third World and the poverty they are trapped in, their lives are no less valuable than ours.

My mean outdated model is to be pragmatic and protect what we have and protect people we care about. I'm not too crazy about forced quotas of young Arab men coming to this country who have a very backward attitude towards the way they treat women and who might struggle to blend in. But how are they going to learn a more enlightened attitude than being in the West and seeing a better example of equality. So that's a sacrifice of safety of people we care about presumably be all have sisters mothers etc.

If we vote to stay in the UK to my mind it will be a wonderful kindness, a very scary kindness of mind blowing charity. Risky but with a true heart of goodness and if we vote to stay in Europe, this is how I will take it. The problem is one part of me is rooted in, survival of the fittest, being strong protecting against danger being pragmatic. But I will go with optimism if it triumphs.

Disclaimer I'm not putting this on anyone else, this is my own personal opinion and how I feel.

Repeating the same tired bullshit you've already shat out, doesn't make said bullshit any more valid than the previous dozen times it's been thoroughly debunked.

 

[redsquirrel]

Can the middle class left ***k off right now please?

Fucking hell, and people wonder why UKIP are polling ~15%

 

[Sprocket.]

Though not Nick Robinson's greatest fan, I found this item, presented by him on Today this morning about the dilemmas facing curry restaurants very interesting as far as Brexit supporters are targeting Bangladeshi Referendum voters.

Who will cook your Indian curry? - BBC News

 

[seventh bullet]

Is he a Putinbot?

No.