Tory UK EU Exit Referendum
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redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
I take it that's directed to Ranbay not me?Yeah, 'cause the financial harrowing of Greece was a completely sane endeavour.
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
Yes. Sorry.
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
It's shit.
Ranbay
The same rules apply
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
It's the type of sneering liberal shit posted by wankers that illustrates that they've not got a clue about the (very valid) concerns that many, many people have about politics these days. Precisely the type of shit that is turning people away from traditional parties and voting for UKIP or their like.
Ranbay
The same rules apply
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Examples of funny non-sneering-liberal-shit images about the referendum? Not having a go, would be interested to see them to know the difference.
Does this sort of stuff actually turn people to UKIP? I'd have thought it is aimed at people who aren't UKIP, and wouldn't be likely to push them over the edge. And again if so - how do you talk to UKIPpers to turn them away from it?
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
I'd say so. The image presents a typical liberal dichotomy; either "remain in the EU like all normal, sane people" or "vote exit you crazy psycho".
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Interesting to see what people get upset about.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Yes that's fair.
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
Erm, no it isn't? It attempts to present only one choice as a legitimate political position, while questioning the sanity of anyone who thinks otherwise.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Indeed - 'psycho nutjob' is a fair description of gove and johnson and they will very likely be running the country if we do vote out, which was my first reaction to it.
What noXion said though. It suggests that staying in is the logical and sane choice, when it's actually going to be taken by the EU as a resounding confirmation that we're happy with the undemocratic decisions that get made now and it's going to be full-speed ahead with TTIP and the rest.
What noXion said though. It suggests that staying in is the logical and sane choice, when it's actually going to be taken by the EU as a resounding confirmation that we're happy with the undemocratic decisions that get made now and it's going to be full-speed ahead with TTIP and the rest.
gosub
~#
I think you have it backwards, Mr Johnston and Mr Gove have the reconsilitory votes of Tory remainers in a Leadership. Fox has made a better out case... Whilst Mr Johnston and above have stuck to the cartoon out vote Leave has pushed. Turns out money has influence (who knew!) and a lot of vote leave funding comes from a handful of very private people.
If we have to have an illuminatii, I'd rather have the KLF
pocketscience
Well-Known Member
...or a satirical parody of the lengths the bremain fear mongerers would go if they could...(?)
Hardly worth getting nickers in a twist about
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
If someone was talking to you about your political position and they said that you had only reached it because you were stupid and a failure then would you be less or more likely to continue to hold that political position? I know the answer I have to that question, and I suspect it is shared by 99.9% of us humans.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
True, but it didn't actually say that - it said we'd be letting a load of psycho nutjobs take over the country.
You're talking about the 'blame a foreigner' poster? In which case fair enough, but even there the people you'd mainly be offending would surely be people who *do* blame foreign people for the problems we have. In which case it's not pushing people into UKIP but making UKIPpers angry, in the same way that UKIPpers when they have a go at political correctness are aiming to make lefties angry.
Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
Previous post deleted.
Accurate version :
Deadline for sorting put a postal vote for the EU referendum. You have to get this sorted before 5pm, Wednesday June 8th.
Go online and print the forms, takes moments. We did it and it was a piece of piss.
(If you intend to vote that is. And if you'll be away on voting day. Like at Glastonbury or something
).
Accurate version :
Deadline for sorting put a postal vote for the EU referendum. You have to get this sorted before 5pm, Wednesday June 8th.
Go online and print the forms, takes moments. We did it and it was a piece of piss.
(If you intend to vote that is. And if you'll be away on voting day. Like at Glastonbury or something
).
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brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Today’s MSM have the state “remain” campaign complaining that voters (presumably predominantly ‘Labour voters’) do not understand the party’s stance on the issue. A useful line for the state campaign to take as it simultaneously highlights a key demographic upon whom they depend whilst also leaving a rod with which to beat the LP following a close win or defeat for the state.
Aside from the obvious party political point of why should voters hold any coherent view on Labour’s party line when the governing party is so desperately riven, I’d say that it is quite an encouraging sign if voters are confused about this referendum. In this grand exercise of lies, misrepresentation and dissembling set within a matrix of false consciousness, working class voters have every right to feel unsure of anything that is being presented to them as “fact”.
We only have to look at the ‘key issues’ (as identified by pollsters) to see the exercise for what it is.
Throughout the campaign the key themes presented as differentiation between the 2 campaigns have represented appeals to classic elements of false consciousness, particularly focussed upon "the national interest".
So working class voters are expected to gladly involve themselves in a contest between interest groups discussing how best to effect accelerated neoliberal de-democratisation of the economy and consolidation of the deep, security state. Areas up for discussion including how best employers can escape any intervention into their exploitation and accumulation, depress wages, and how the state apparatus can continue to wage expeditionary warfare and surveillance .
All of which is presented as ‘in the British interest’ or ‘in the interest of the British economy’ or, worse still, ‘in the interests of British workers’.
I’m continuing to struggle to see how left-libertarians can find any meaningful position in this ‘debate’ or indeed find any motivation to vote.
Aside from the obvious party political point of why should voters hold any coherent view on Labour’s party line when the governing party is so desperately riven, I’d say that it is quite an encouraging sign if voters are confused about this referendum. In this grand exercise of lies, misrepresentation and dissembling set within a matrix of false consciousness, working class voters have every right to feel unsure of anything that is being presented to them as “fact”.
We only have to look at the ‘key issues’ (as identified by pollsters) to see the exercise for what it is.
Throughout the campaign the key themes presented as differentiation between the 2 campaigns have represented appeals to classic elements of false consciousness, particularly focussed upon "the national interest".
So working class voters are expected to gladly involve themselves in a contest between interest groups discussing how best to effect accelerated neoliberal de-democratisation of the economy and consolidation of the deep, security state. Areas up for discussion including how best employers can escape any intervention into their exploitation and accumulation, depress wages, and how the state apparatus can continue to wage expeditionary warfare and surveillance .
All of which is presented as ‘in the British interest’ or ‘in the interest of the British economy’ or, worse still, ‘in the interests of British workers’.
I’m continuing to struggle to see how left-libertarians can find any meaningful position in this ‘debate’ or indeed find any motivation to vote.
gosub
~#
There must always be a mesh between top-down and bottom up politics, a medium between what happens is our leaders decree and nothing gets done unless Colin from Rotherham is onboard. Whilst the big big battalions fire what is frankly bullshit over the top, they cannot better calibrate their guns if those on the ground refuse to engage.
Apathy rarely changes anything.
*live with hearing range of MOD training grounds (current exercise colouring my mood)
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brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
You'll be unsurprised to learn that I don't regard deliberate disengagement as apathy.
Neither do I recognise that either 'option' offered in the referendum question represent the prospect of meaningful change in the circumstances of working class people.
Disengagement is only apathy when it's not deliberate? So if I choose to completely disengage from any political activity, critique or contemplation, take no part in civic society and answer any enquiry of a political nature with a shrug and a mumbled 'fuck all to do with me mate', I'm not being apathetic as long as I positively choose to behave in this way?
That kinda wipes out the demographic previously known as 'the apathetic'...which is a shame because at least since the Elmira study, a healthy dose of apathy has been regarded as a basic condition of representatitive democracy.
Your definition may spell the end of bourgeois political economy. Well done you.
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