The Urban 6 Nations 2018 Thread
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Now you know how we felt seeing them "welsh" players(a few were born in England but still) celebrating Englands loss to Iceland
Many ppple i know would have liked to have done some something very similar to their heads as you described it
Grandma Death
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Tbf that clip was funny
Laughed more at that than all these left wing luvvie pk "comedians" we have nowdays
Brexit,Trump,Farage,Anti tory whay a hoot, so so boring and lazy
Mind this was funnier imagine losing to that load of ol shite (should have played more welsh born players
and they might have won !)
Only Joking fella
My 2 favorite uncles were from the valleys Idwall and Glynn Rip Miss both of em
Enjoy
Laughed more at that than all these left wing luvvie pk "comedians" we have nowdays
Brexit,Trump,Farage,Anti tory whay a hoot, so so boring and lazy
Mind this was funnier imagine losing to that load of ol shite (should have played more welsh born players
and they might have won !)
Only Joking fella
My 2 favorite uncles were from the valleys Idwall and Glynn Rip Miss both of em
Enjoy
Its all academic anyway because I understand AWJ had told the ref before the game that the entire Welsh team were all sovereign citizens and they did not consent to his authority therefore the laws of rugby union no longer applied. Match drawn.
bendeus
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It was y'know. This photo is pretty conclusive:
The reason the TMO gave for the try not being awarded was that Watson had grounded it first. It's evident from the above that he didn't.
Anyway, time to move on. It's all a bit 'if my aunt had a dick...' really.
Suffice to say that although i by no means think that we should have won it, we quite easily could have with a a bit more composure at key moments (e.g. Shingler break - why did he fucking kick???
), a bit more sympathetic reffing (especially around the offside rule and particularly in the last quarter - thought Robshaw was playing at 15 for us at one point), Halfpenny on the pitch (first try wouldn't have been scored and two long distance pens likely landed) and a tmo who knew what he was doing.*Thought Anscombe made a big difference when he switched to 10 and that we were making a lot of progress offloading through the middle. We cut England up at times leaving their first line of defence flailing. A few key moments included the Underhill wonder tackle. What's annoying about that was that if North had continued to run the support line he'd have had his body between Underhill and Williams and a try scored.
Thought England won the collisions and were really effective (if sometimes illegal) in harrying Patchell and stopping him from getting the line moving. This wasn't helped by G Davies, whose service was typically dreadful, with lots of looped passes having to be plucked above the head with Robshaw bearing down on him or off the bootlaces. Their kicking game both in terms of tactics and execution was spot on - again, how different it might have been with 1/2p and Liam on the pitch - and did exactly what it was meant to in terms of keeping us pinned back and exploiting an utterly raw back three (again, see the first try). Farrell was so key to doing this effectively. This worked for the headless first 15 minutes. Thereafter, and particularly in the second half, I thought we were the marginally the better side and looked far more likely to score.
I don't say this often but there were a lot of positives to be taken from the defeat. With only four first-choice starters we could well have walked away from HQ with a win. We gained parity (if not an ever so slight edge) with one of the the world's most powerful packs at the setpiece and we continued to blood a bunch of players who will give us depth. The losing bonus point may well come in handy in the final mix - while I don't think we have enough to beat Ireland in Dublin you never quite know
* E2A: And if it hadn't bloody rained
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Right, so I'll add my thoughts to the many already expressed regarding the weekend's entertainment.
Firstly I thought Ireland were decent, they still look the most coached (not necessarily the best coached iyswim). Probably the most disciplined and still my favourite to win the 6N but I think they're beatable and I'm not sure a about a GS. They also appear to be collecting injuries to key players now and their injury list is fast catching up on Wales and England.
Also on this match I'm going to return to a repeated irritation of mine, what goes on prior to the start of test matches in Dublin. 6 Nations rugby is invariably played in grotty weather and usually Ireland's is as bad as any even if Saturday's could have been worse. First we have Micky Higgins bimbling around for 10 minutes seemingly having a whale of a time, after that it's more songs than a Korean phone book and then a break for commercial TV. Finally we get a kick off and 3 minutes later Furlong pulls a hamstring. I know as an Englishman I'm on very dodgy ground when complaining that Ireland has too many anthems but I do not think it is OK to have elite athletes hanging around for so long after they've done their warm up. There must be a better way of doing this?
I though England played really well in the first half but fell apart in the second, we probably just edged it but it was turgid affair which the weather pretty much dictated. I thought we were excellent in defence, especially in the first half when Wales were under pressure on their own ball the whole time. I don't really know what happened in the second half, it was highly frustrating that the times we did get ourselves into a good position we coughed up the ball, or got stripped or gave away a penalty, it was really annoying. That being said I can't imagine it was especially soothing for the Welsh fans enduring so many knock-ons. I don't know whether the intensity of the defence combined with the shorter turnaround from last week affected England but something was missing in that second half. I think the way Jones handled his subs shows he doesn't trust them as much as his usual bench which meant some players were out there longer than ideal.
The Welsh try was clearly a try, it was a bit lucky that the ball ended up there but regardless it was a try. I thought the ref made some odd decisions throughout the game bendeus highlighted a couple above (I also saw the Robshaw thing and thought wtf?). The decision to award Wales a penalty just after 30 minutes when the ball was a metre behind the ruck and the ref had his arms aloft to say it was out, was baffling. A couple of times he told the Welsh pack 'no, no' quite clearly when counter rucking but when they gained an advantage from it he didn't penalise them, odd again.
On the Underhill tackle it was exceptional, more so given he was on his arse at one point. If it had happened to an English player though I would be fuming, yeah its an amazing tackle but you have to score from there, especially as you had team mates on your shoulder.
I didn't see the Scotland game live but saw the score and thought that'll be a good one to watch so stayed up late and watched the full match on the iplayer. Knowing the score meant seeing the game for what is was which was a bit disappointing. Fair play to Scotland because being 10 down so soon it could have turned to shit again quickly. I don't think they are the team I was expecting though and I think they have a long way to go. France were exactly the team I was expecting, giving up far to many penalties and the wheels coming off at intervals as regular as clockwork.
I feel all the sides are beatable and I can't see England coming through the next two away days unscathed but I have a feeling we may just nick it against Ireland at Twick. So Ireland for the trophy but not the slam.
Firstly I thought Ireland were decent, they still look the most coached (not necessarily the best coached iyswim). Probably the most disciplined and still my favourite to win the 6N but I think they're beatable and I'm not sure a about a GS. They also appear to be collecting injuries to key players now and their injury list is fast catching up on Wales and England.
Also on this match I'm going to return to a repeated irritation of mine, what goes on prior to the start of test matches in Dublin. 6 Nations rugby is invariably played in grotty weather and usually Ireland's is as bad as any even if Saturday's could have been worse. First we have Micky Higgins bimbling around for 10 minutes seemingly having a whale of a time, after that it's more songs than a Korean phone book and then a break for commercial TV. Finally we get a kick off and 3 minutes later Furlong pulls a hamstring. I know as an Englishman I'm on very dodgy ground when complaining that Ireland has too many anthems but I do not think it is OK to have elite athletes hanging around for so long after they've done their warm up. There must be a better way of doing this?
I though England played really well in the first half but fell apart in the second, we probably just edged it but it was turgid affair which the weather pretty much dictated. I thought we were excellent in defence, especially in the first half when Wales were under pressure on their own ball the whole time. I don't really know what happened in the second half, it was highly frustrating that the times we did get ourselves into a good position we coughed up the ball, or got stripped or gave away a penalty, it was really annoying. That being said I can't imagine it was especially soothing for the Welsh fans enduring so many knock-ons. I don't know whether the intensity of the defence combined with the shorter turnaround from last week affected England but something was missing in that second half. I think the way Jones handled his subs shows he doesn't trust them as much as his usual bench which meant some players were out there longer than ideal.
The Welsh try was clearly a try, it was a bit lucky that the ball ended up there but regardless it was a try. I thought the ref made some odd decisions throughout the game bendeus highlighted a couple above (I also saw the Robshaw thing and thought wtf?). The decision to award Wales a penalty just after 30 minutes when the ball was a metre behind the ruck and the ref had his arms aloft to say it was out, was baffling. A couple of times he told the Welsh pack 'no, no' quite clearly when counter rucking but when they gained an advantage from it he didn't penalise them, odd again.
On the Underhill tackle it was exceptional, more so given he was on his arse at one point. If it had happened to an English player though I would be fuming, yeah its an amazing tackle but you have to score from there, especially as you had team mates on your shoulder.
I didn't see the Scotland game live but saw the score and thought that'll be a good one to watch so stayed up late and watched the full match on the iplayer. Knowing the score meant seeing the game for what is was which was a bit disappointing. Fair play to Scotland because being 10 down so soon it could have turned to shit again quickly. I don't think they are the team I was expecting though and I think they have a long way to go. France were exactly the team I was expecting, giving up far to many penalties and the wheels coming off at intervals as regular as clockwork.
I feel all the sides are beatable and I can't see England coming through the next two away days unscathed but I have a feeling we may just nick it against Ireland at Twick. So Ireland for the trophy but not the slam.
Grandma Death
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Apologies for posting like a twat Saturday. I was drunk and angry. Being wound up by some English fans on other parts of social media after a skin full isn't a good combination.
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flypanam
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Excellent post Teaboy I agree the presidential salute and the grin n greet is too much. And as much as I don't like the anthems we're stuck with them, unless we can all agree on the Internationale, A las Barricadas or Whigfield's Saturday night.
I think the Furlong injury is not as serious as it looks, JS did say that it was precaution to take him off as there are much more difficult games ahead. That said, it did take time for Porter to get into the game but when he did he did well against a weak Italian pack. Henshaw is a big loss, he's marshalled the defensive line quite well in the last two games, and apart from his sometimes shooting, has been very effective. It is noticeable that we leaked three tries when Earls went to 13 and Larmour was put on the wing. Given that Henshaw will be out for a while JS dilemma is does he go with Farrell at 13 or does he move Aki there. Meaning Sexton would go to 12 and Carbery at 10. I suspect he select Farrell as he like Carbery to cover 10 and fb...if Joe wants depth, he'll have to take a punt.
I think our real issue is at fb. For all his aerial skills, Kearney in open play, nay, an open field is liable to run into a traffic. JS is unlikely to change RK though unless he pulls his back or something.
I can't call the Wales game, it's going to be tough, especially as the players know each other so well.
eta talk is that Ringrose might be available in fortnight. Can't see it happening though as he's played almost zero Pro14 this year.
I think the Furlong injury is not as serious as it looks, JS did say that it was precaution to take him off as there are much more difficult games ahead. That said, it did take time for Porter to get into the game but when he did he did well against a weak Italian pack. Henshaw is a big loss, he's marshalled the defensive line quite well in the last two games, and apart from his sometimes shooting, has been very effective. It is noticeable that we leaked three tries when Earls went to 13 and Larmour was put on the wing. Given that Henshaw will be out for a while JS dilemma is does he go with Farrell at 13 or does he move Aki there. Meaning Sexton would go to 12 and Carbery at 10. I suspect he select Farrell as he like Carbery to cover 10 and fb...if Joe wants depth, he'll have to take a punt.
I think our real issue is at fb. For all his aerial skills, Kearney in open play, nay, an open field is liable to run into a traffic. JS is unlikely to change RK though unless he pulls his back or something.
I can't call the Wales game, it's going to be tough, especially as the players know each other so well.
eta talk is that Ringrose might be available in fortnight. Can't see it happening though as he's played almost zero Pro14 this year.
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Grandma Death
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I think we have a real chance against Ireland. Halfpenny back. Possibly Biggar too. That bonus point will come in handy. Wales could edge this title. Even more so with two home games after Ireland. Assuming Ireland beat England last day. We are heading into quite possibly another super Saturday last day with three teams in it I reckon.
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Threshers_Flail
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If we have Liam and Halfpenny back then we may well run Ireland close. Ireland look solid though I think they'll put the squeeze on us.
I think we have to play the above two if fit, Ireland will murder us if we have the same back three as Saturday.
Who do we play at 10? Anscombe or Patchell? Supposing Biggar isn't ready.
I think we have to play the above two if fit, Ireland will murder us if we have the same back three as Saturday.
Who do we play at 10? Anscombe or Patchell? Supposing Biggar isn't ready.
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Biggar in Dublin for me with a back three of Patchell (15) 1/2p and Liam. Counteract the Irish aerial threat while maintaining the distribution coming into the line. If he's not I'd start Anscombe and bring Patchell on on 60. He made a big difference in the second half
Threshers_Flail
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Yeah definitely best to revert back to tried and tested for this one. Liam and Halfpenny should be fit but I've got no idea how close Biggar is.
Henshaw is out, with him and Ringrose injured I think the Irish may have to play Earls in the center, which would be great for Wales.
Henshaw is out, with him and Ringrose injured I think the Irish may have to play Earls in the center, which would be great for Wales.
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All three plus Faletau are back, apparently
flypanam
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Nope Earls is on the wing. JS had Earls at 13 early into the post bod era. Doesn’t have the defensive acumen to play in that role. It will be Chris Farrell at 13. Farrell for a big lad has great distribution.
Threshers_Flail
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Did Earls not play at 13 for bit on Saturday? Or was that just in between subs?
Lots of new faces for the Irish, I need to do my homework.
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flypanam
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He did but only out of necessity. As there was no outside centre cover on the bench. Forgot to add Sam Arnold has been in camp so he could play too.
Threshers_Flail
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Fair enough, was thinking they had to have a better option.
How do you rate that Carbury? He needs to get some game time under his belt ASAP just in case Sexton gets broken again.
flypanam
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I think Carbery is good, very good. To close out the game in Chicago against the AB shows he has the talent. Yeah he hasn't had enough game time at ten this season, but he's young, and I don't think match fitness is as hard to reach for a 22 year old than it is for a 30 year old.
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Absolutely cracking article from Gwlad on Saturday's game. Well worth a read:
Plenty of positives, but plenty still to do
Plenty of positives, but plenty still to do
Six Nations: Jeremy Guscott on Gareth Anscombe's disallowed try
Guscott reckons it was a Knock-on then. He must have watched the thing frame by frame to make that call given you couldn't see it on any of the standard replays, I remain unconvinced from what I've seen.
Regardless of this it does raise a question which bugged me a lot on Saturday evening. Who is in charge of the cameras? What training do they have and how much influence do they have on their positioning?
We disagree a fair bit on this thread but I doubt anyone would argue that ITV coverage of rugby is anything but shit. Presumably as the home broadcaster they were providing all the pictures on Saturday. At that crucial moment at least two cameras (main gantry and behind the goal) were merrily focusing on Steff Evans and Danny Care clattering into the advertising boards rather than staying focused on the bloody ball. It's a classic football thing to watch the player rather than the ball as they are always after reactions for montages and things rarely happen in a split second in football.
Whilst the TMO should have taken longer World Rugby really need to take a close look at the quality of the pictures they are getting and how much control the TMO has over them.
Guscott reckons it was a Knock-on then. He must have watched the thing frame by frame to make that call given you couldn't see it on any of the standard replays, I remain unconvinced from what I've seen.
Regardless of this it does raise a question which bugged me a lot on Saturday evening. Who is in charge of the cameras? What training do they have and how much influence do they have on their positioning?
We disagree a fair bit on this thread but I doubt anyone would argue that ITV coverage of rugby is anything but shit. Presumably as the home broadcaster they were providing all the pictures on Saturday. At that crucial moment at least two cameras (main gantry and behind the goal) were merrily focusing on Steff Evans and Danny Care clattering into the advertising boards rather than staying focused on the bloody ball. It's a classic football thing to watch the player rather than the ball as they are always after reactions for montages and things rarely happen in a split second in football.
Whilst the TMO should have taken longer World Rugby really need to take a close look at the quality of the pictures they are getting and how much control the TMO has over them.
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Assuming it brushed his fingers, didn't it then come off his knee, making it a kick?
Does that not negate the knock on?
Does that not negate the knock on?
Its a good point. Depends whether the ball went forward or not, I would have thought if it 'pushed back his fingers' as Guscott reckons, the ball would have gone backwards. That being said though, in these incidents they generally deem any contact with the hand to be a knock-on and that would have happened before it hit the knee.
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No. If it comes off the upper body and then hits the knee it's a knock on. If it hits the knee in open play having come off another player it's play on
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I've read accusations, especially against French TV that suggest that they actively manipulate decisions by choosing whether or not to replay things or by 'not finding' that conclusive camera angle that would firm up a 50/50 decision. Far be it for me to say but there's no doubt that the availability (or lack thereof) of the right camera angle can influence outcomes
sleaterkinney
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The adverts wind me up, i must have watched as much adverts as rugby.
