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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
This is the end beautiful friend
This is the end my only friend
The end of our elaborate plans
The end of everything that stands
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
I saw that as well; suspect it's got more to do with Norwegian party politicking than any actual analysis of the EU/UK deal, tbh.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
By Norwegian party politicking are you referring to quislings?
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Possibly but the view is also backed by the Socialist Left Party so the call for a public inquiry may have legs
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Be interesting to find out a bit more about this, seems very petty and hopefully a reciprocal agreement will be sought at some point
Brexit: UK government music touring proposals were 'rejected by the EU'
The government says it tried to secure better conditions for UK musicians in the Brexit negotiations.
www.bbc.com
TopCat
Putin fanboy
If its equivalence that seals the deal we then have to have loads of French pop stars playing over here. I cant think of any.Be interesting to find out a bit more about this, seems very petty and hopefully a reciprocal agreement will be sought at some point
Brexit: UK government music touring proposals were 'rejected by the EU'
The government says it tried to secure better conditions for UK musicians in the Brexit negotiations.www.bbc.com
not-bono-ever
meh
Johnny Halliday is dead. That’s about it really
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
This is so true. Remainiac bellends vs. the Brexshitheads is the clash of the tits that can't end soon enough.
sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
Neither is brexit.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
This shit isn't going to end.
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
Indeed, its the perfect topic for people who have no political principles to pretend that they do.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
The Labour that just whipped a vote for this deal? It's already been destroyed. Owned by an issue it had no say over. Passive acceptance of the rationale behind the deal over the coming years will just see it sink even lower.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Socialist labour's dead and gone
It's with clem attlee in the grave
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
So campaigning to join the EEA and campaigning for free movement would revive the Labour Party or at least avert it sinking lower?
sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
Labour needs to forget about the b word. Attack the tories over the fallout.
Winot
I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint
It appears this is Starmer's plan and it's a good one.
ska invita
back on the other side
The Centre Party are a right wing nationalist and protectionist party who want to leave Schengen for fear of who will come in to Norway
From 2012: "Schengen Agreement makes it easier for criminals to enter the country....Klinge said the problem was particularly serious because Bulgaria and Romania could enter the Schengen area in the autumn."
Theres a wave of anti-migrant fear in Norway and Sweden in recent years
So yeah, some more-Scandi-polite version of UKIP like the UKs deal - no surprise there.
Is points based immigration and flag-draped protectionism really a future that appeals to you?
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
I've always thought it interesting that French radio channels still have a minimum quota for 'French language works' to counter the "Anglo-Saxon cultural invasion'
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
I'm well aware of the situation with racism and anti migrant fear in Europe.I'm not defending The Centre Party, (and no they dont appeal to me thanks). just pointing out along with the Socialist Left Party it feels that the UKs agreement is better than the EEA. It may well be protectionist , which in itself isn't either right wing or nationalist but I actually thought that the Centre Party had been part of the red-green coalition along with Labour and the SLP. ?
Honestly I cannot blame either side for not making music touring a priority, been as it's definitely not happening for half a year/a full year due to covid. I am fairly sure that by the time it starts there won't be any obstacles that aren't easy to adapt to..... except for the fact that most venues are going to have shut down and noone will have any money, that is the really big iceberg for touring music imo, not brexit.Be interesting to find out a bit more about this, seems very petty and hopefully a reciprocal agreement will be sought at some point
Brexit: UK government music touring proposals were 'rejected by the EU'
The government says it tried to secure better conditions for UK musicians in the Brexit negotiations.www.bbc.com
TopCat
Putin fanboy
It had a say. It fucked up by choosing remain. It was dragged to this position by people who are not working in the interests of working class people.
Let the remain hardliners flock around the corpse of Jo Swinson.
prunus
Tick tock.
Such is your opinion - mine (also lifelong Labour supporter, left wing, tax and spend, redistributionist) is that Labour fucked up on behalf of the working class by not campaigning hard and honestly for a remain vote before the referendum. Brexit is bad for everyone, and as usual when things are bad for everyone, they’re worse for the worst off. Labour should have been tooth and nail against it. The current no-win equivocation position is really just a continuation of Labour’s position in 2016.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Strange to quote them if they don't appeal to you. Who gives a fuck what they think?
Spandex
A crazy bulbous punchbag of sound
There's been absolutely loads of great French music from the last decade. Christine & the Queens and Charlotte Gainsbourg have made the biggest impact in the UK, but beyond them there's a world of acts from Juniore's psych to L'Imperatrice's disco. It'd be a bonus of Brexit if they were encouraged to play here more. Maybe Mylene Farmer could finally put a UK date on a tour.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
There is no future in England's dreaming
I put on a few french bands. The obstacle was that people just weren't interested in coming, even though they were great. You can't force people to come to gigs.
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