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Strange to quote them if they don't appeal to you. Who gives a fuck what they think?
Quoting the largest party in an EEA state, an organisation that you want labour to campaign for, from a paper that is anti Brexit actually. And yes I see your point about Norwegians poking the noses into British politics.
 
I put on a few french bands. The obstacle was that people just weren't interested in coming, even though they were great. You can't force people to come to gigs.
That's slightly different to there not being any worth watching.

I was supposed to watch Juniore in late March, but of course it got cancelled. I agree with you that Covid is currently a bigger issue for touring than Brexit.
 
People prefer bands that sing in English, even the French...
That's not true. Mylene Farmer's 2009 tour played to over half a million people in stadiums across Europe. It's mainly the British that have an aversion to French language music.
 
That's not true. Mylene Farmer's 2009 tour played to over half a million people in stadiums across Europe. It's mainly the British that have an aversion to French language music.
Ok I accept the first part completely. Mylene Farmer I have never heard of. Do French bands do well in the US? German bands?
 
In the 1960's it was the two national musicians unions of the UK and US that stopped each others nationals playing in each others country.

An agreement was brokered based on equivalence. The US got tours of the Beatles and that and we got a stream of fantastic jazz musicians playing London clubs.

I'm sure an agreement similar to the above will be agreed and in place before covid is vanquished and live music indoors can happen again.
 
I'm well aware of the situation with racism and anti migrant fear in Europe.I'm not defending The Centre Party, (and no they dont appeal to me thanks). just pointing out along with the Socialist Left Party it feels that the UKs agreement is better than the EEA. It may well be protectionist , which in itself isn't either right wing or nationalist but I actually thought that the Centre Party had been part of the red-green coalition along with Labour and the SLP. ?
But you do support closed migration and protectionism right? Thats got be core to Lexit
If you do Id like to talk this through more, and see if i can be won over to the case (going to be pretty much away from a computer the next three days though)
I tried a thread here but it never took off
I think protectionism is the elephant in the room of global politics for years now - seems to never get talked about

My instinct and scant knowledge of 20th century history makes me worry of a return to a closed border protectionist Europe composed of competing states, especially so at a time when the right is ever dominant and capitalism moves into a worrying new survivalist phase.
im not won over by the case to follow that path, and worry that in so doing deeper values get chucked on the bonfire, whatever other strategic left gains might be made.
maybe we can come back to it in the new year. if youve got anything to post on that protectionism thread id be keen to read it
 
Loads of shit music pulls big audiences, and loads of amazing music gets tiny audiences. I'd hate for audience size to be the only thing that determines whether musicians are worthy of travelling.
Well if you only have a handful of punters who pays the musicians and for the elec bill?
It would be going back to pay to play and all that shite.
 
I’ve got Slovakian (eu) citizenship, just realising I should definitely put that on my future online dating profile if I do that next year, probably better currency than pretending to read deep books or be able to cook.
 
Well if you only have a handful of punters who pays the musicians and for the elec bill?
It would be going back to pay to play and all that shite.
Usually one better paid gig (maybe at a festival or something), which might get arts council funding or something, funds a run of smaller show that might only pay for petrol money. Anyway this is pretty niche.
 
But you do support closed migration and protectionism right? Thats got be core to Lexit
If you do Id like to talk this through more, and see if i can be won over to the case (going to be pretty much away from a computer the next three days though)
I tried a thread here but it never took off
I think protectionism is the elephant in the room of global politics for years now - seems to never get talked about

My instinct and scant knowledge of 20th century history makes me worry of a return to a closed border protectionist Europe composed of competing states, especially so at a time when the right is ever dominant and capitalism moves into a worrying new survivalist phase.
im not won over by the case to follow that path, and worry that in so doing deeper values get chucked on the bonfire, whatever other strategic left gains might be made.
maybe we can come back to it in the new year. if youve got anything to post on that protectionism thread id be keen to read it
Can't remember ever seeing that thread. Yes I do support immigration controls and I'm in favour of some forms of protectionism. However whilst I might come back to that thread it wouldn't be with the idea of winning you over thanks Ska I think you are set in your ways.
 
I think you are set in your ways.
not at all, ive never been tribalist or sectarian in politics
i am though scared of nationalism/xenephobia/racism and thats from personal experience as much as any abstract historical lessons
eta: im also respectful of other peoples knowledge - i know my limitations - it partly why i still post here
 
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