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[brogdale]

I have not been able to verify this claim of yours. However, have learnt this from the McDonald’s gherkin information resource.

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This has just (rather bizarrely) reminded me of one of the few stand up arguments I had during the run up to the tory EU referendum; some nasty old racist cunt had pitched up outside Folyes to scream at passers by that the EU was about to let 80 million Muslims into our country.

Christ, it really did energise some utter cunts.

 

[two sheds]

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From here:

FAQS | McDonald's UK

I've noticed this before - wtf is "beef patty" - it sounds like cow pats who wants to eat cow pats?

 

[fishfinger]

I've noticed this before - wtf is "beef patty" - it sounds like cow pats who wants to eat cow pats?

Interesting word Patty - Wikipedia

 

[moochedit]

I've noticed this before - wtf is "beef patty" - it sounds like cow pats who wants to eat cow pats?

It is what americans call what we call a "beef burger".

 

[two sheds]

Interesting word Patty - Wikipedia

The term originated in the 17th century as an English alteration of the French word pâté.[1] According to the OED, it is related to the word pasty, which is various ingredients encased in pastry.[1]

That's crap - it clearly comes from cow patties.

 

[Roadkill]

I've noticed this before - wtf is "beef patty" - it sounds like cow pats who wants to eat cow pats?

Have McDonald's only just started saying this, then? The hipster burger joints round here have been banging on about their beef patties almost as long as their home-made slaw and artisan breadcakes!

 

[Gerry1time]

McDonald’s have been saying beef patties for decades I think. I can still remember the jingle from the advert - “two all beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles, onions in a sesame seed bun’. Partly because I used to quote it at adults who tried to get me to buy a burger in McDonald’s, as I hated lettuce, pickles and onions, and occasionally they’d try to claim the burger didn’t contain these things.

 

[Pickman's model]

Have McDonald's only just started saying this, then? The hipster burger joints round here have been banging on about their beef patties almost as long as their home-made slaw and artisan breadcakes!

as Gerry1time says it's been going on a very long time but you haven't been paying attention

 

[prunus]

Have McDonald's only just started saying this, then? The hipster burger joints round here have been banging on about their beef patties almost as long as their home-made slaw and artisan breadcakes!

Not at all - I remember trying to win a Big Mac by saying twoallbeefpattiesspecialsaucelettucecheesepicklesonionsallinasesameseedbun in under 3 seconds back in the early 80s.

 

[Pickman's model]

Not at all - I remember trying to win a Big Mac by saying twoallbeefpattiesspecialsaucelettucecheesepicklesonionsallinasesameseedbun in under 3 seconds back in the early 80s.

trying - and failing?

 

[editor]

yeh how grand it will be to have a passport with a fucking dragon on it and to present it every time you cross into or from england

If it means that we no longer have a Tory government and - with luck - get rid of the royalty into the bargain - that's fine and dandy by me, thanks.

 

[Roadkill]

as Gerry1time says it's been going on a very long time but you haven't been paying attention

Not to McDonald's, I haven't! I patronise the hipster joints instead.

 

[Pickman's model]

If it means that we no longer have a Tory government and - with luck - get rid of the royalty into the bargain - that's fine and dandy by me, thanks.

you will still have a tory government unless you're intending to move back the far side of offa's dyke

 

[Pickman's model]

Not to McDonald's, I haven't! I patronise the hipster joints instead.

i thought you were discerning with your patronising

 

[editor]

you will still have a tory government unless you're intending to move back the far side of offa's dyke

Just knowing my homeland is no longer under Tory rule - and I own a passport with a fucking dragon on it - will bring me a warm glow.

 

[Pickman's model]

Just knowing my homeland is no longer under Tory rule - and I own a passport with a fucking dragon on it - will bring me a warm glow.

you don't own a passport now: i quote from mine: 'this passport remains the property of the crown at all times and can be cancelled at any time.' i expect that's quite standard wording altho the name of the owners doubtless changes. so you may have a welsh passport at some point in the future. but i don't expect you'll ever actually own one.

 

[Badgers]

McDonald's issues food shortage warning due to Brexit

Eagle-eyed fans of the fast food chain have spotted warning signs in some McDonald's stores

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk

 

[prunus]

trying - and failing?

Eventually the salesperson took pity on me and said I’d done it, so I got my Big Mac. I knew in my heart of hearts though it was a hollow victory - if a delicious one.

 

[alex_]

Theresa May - "We have a deal in trade which benefits the EU, but not a deal in services which would have benefited the UK"

Good summary from a shit ex prime minister

 

[Pickman's model]

Theresa May - "We have a deal in trade which benefits the EU, but not a deal in services which would have benefited the UK"

Good summary from a shit ex prime minister

with every day johnson remains in charge recollection of may's tawdry administration fades and in contrast to the current incumbent she appears increasingly a more considerable and able premier. of course she was shit even in comparison to the nefandous cameron but she benefits greatly from being followed in office by the only person who could make her appear strong and stable.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Theresa May - "We have a deal in trade which benefits the EU, but not a deal in services which would have benefited the UK"

Good summary from a shit ex prime minister

May needs to own it. She did more than anyone else to set the course for brexit that has ended up here.

 

[SpookyFrank]

We can't change any of it now. In a sense, though, it is a good thing that Brexit and the form it will take are now settled, since the old 'leaver' and 'remainer' identities are now obviously redundant, so people might stop trying to re-fight 2016 again and again and focus on the future.

I'm focussing on the future, that's why I'm rushing my book of rat stew recipes to print now before that fat fucker Jamie Oliver can beat me to it. I even got a snappy press quote for the back cover:

'This book is the worst thing about 2020. And the best thing about 2021.'

 

[Gramsci]

My three local MPs opposed the deal.

They are from different wings of the party.

My MP Helen Hayes resigned from front bench and abstained. ( I would say centre of party. Very good constituency MP imo)

Florence Eshalomi MP for Vauxhall also abstained and resigned. ( from Progress wing of party)

Bell Ribeiro-Addy MP ( Streatham) voted against. ( From left of the party. New MP who replaced the much disliked Chuka. Got seat on basis of members rejecting the progress led Council candidate. Becomimg a popular well liked MP)

My area was strongly Remain ( and that does include the working class) the MPs from different wings of the party correctly imo took their decision based on how constituents felt about Brexit.

Brexit: Labour aides quit over Starmer's backing for trade deal

Three frontbenchers were among 36 Labour MPs to defy orders to back laws enacting post-Brexit deal.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Gramsci]

We can't change any of it now. In a sense, though, it is a good thing that Brexit and the form it will take are now settled, since the old 'leaver' and 'remainer' identities are now obviously redundant, so people might stop trying to re-fight 2016 again and again and focus on the future.

Unfortunatlely as Ive been following this past through days this is not settled.

This deal is only the beginning. Financial services are still up for discussion for example.

There is now a new bureaucracy to be set up to oversee the deal/ disputes.

Its far from settled.

Problem with the referendum was that it was simple in or out.

Not what kind of Brexit.

There is still plenty to argue about with this deal being only the start.

 

[TopCat]

Have McDonald's only just started saying this, then? The hipster burger joints round here have been banging on about their beef patties almost as long as their home-made slaw and artisan breadcakes!

Two all beef patties special sauce lettuce cheese pickles and onions etc. Fucking adverts.

 

[Roadkill]

Unfortunatlely as Ive been following this past through days this is not settled.

This deal is only the beginning. Financial services are still up for discussion for example.

There is now a new bureaucracy to be set up to oversee the deal/ disputes.

Its far from settled.

Problem with the referendum was that it was simple in or out.

Not what kind of Brexit.

There is still plenty to argue about with this deal being only the start.

That's kind of what I meant tbh. Most of the details remain to be settled, and it makes more sense to focus on them than to stick in tribal remainer/leaver camps blaming each other for the shit we've landed ourselves in - which all too many people are still doing.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Unfortunatlely as Ive been following this past through days this is not settled.

This deal is only the beginning. Financial services are still up for discussion for example.

There is now a new bureaucracy to be set up to oversee the deal/ disputes.

Its far from settled.

Problem with the referendum was that it was simple in or out.

Not what kind of Brexit.

There is still plenty to argue about with this deal being only the start.

It's going to be a slow burner, though, isn't it? The immediate effects are the myriad small inconveniences that are now in place that weren't there before (customs declarations, health insurance stuff, work permits, etc) plus the 'big ticket' EU immigration rules for people coming here or going there to live and work. (The end of free movement is the thing I resent more than everything else put together wrt brexit.)

So that's all shit, but for most people it's mostly small stuff (not for everyone of course - people with EU partners wishing to settle here, for instance, now face a mountain of paperwork and expense).

But the big test comes when one side decides to push against the limits of the agreement on alignment. That could come in six months' time or two years' time, or whenever, and it will be very apparent at that point what abstract notions of a theoretical national sovereignty count for in the real world.

And we all know which side it will be that will try to take the piss by attempting to undercut the other. As with most of this stuff, the result is that I'll probably be hoping for a strong response from the EU and for 'us' (ie the UK government) to be humiliated and forced to climb down. The UK's 'sovereignty' may have been increased in theory by brexit. In practice, it is likely to have been reduced.

 

[SpackleFrog]

So glad there's ANOTHER Brexit thread! Although I hear Brenda from Bristol is fucking raging, watch out OP.

My short summary of what I expect:

‐Obvs nothing gets better for the working class but it wouldn't have anyway, we have to fight for it
‐It will probably lead to a lot of chaos at borders for a while but it'll calm down eventually
‐ The economy will shrink a bit but given we're already in the second phase of the worst global economic crisis since the Great Depression I'm not sure we will notice
‐ For most people Covid will be a much more important issue

 

[The39thStep]

It's going to be a slow burner, though, isn't it? The immediate effects are the myriad small inconveniences that are now in place that weren't there before (customs declarations, health insurance stuff, work permits, etc) plus the 'big ticket' EU immigration rules for people coming here or going there to live and work. (The end of free movement is the thing I resent more than everything else put together wrt brexit.)

So that's all shit, but for most people it's mostly small stuff (not for everyone of course - people with EU partners wishing to settle here, for instance, now face a mountain of paperwork and expense).

But the big test comes when one side decides to push against the limits of the agreement on alignment. That could come in six months' time or two years' time, or whenever, and it will be very apparent at that point what abstract notions of a theoretical national sovereignty count for in the real world.

And we all know which side it will be that will try to take the piss by attempting to undercut the other. As with most of this stuff, the result is that I'll probably be hoping for a strong response from the EU and for 'us' (ie the UK government) to be humiliated and forced to climb down. The UK's 'sovereignty' may have been increased in theory by brexit. In practice, it is likely to have been reduced.

Think the health insurance thing has been sorted out

 

[Gramsci]

After much reading around there is apparently a vast market for eels in Asia, which factors into why they are so expensive. They are also classed as endangered but apparently thriving in the Severn (so you can ask one of two things 1) how do we make this population collapse as well or 2) why do we want to fish them out as well?)

I'm not entirely sure how leaving the EU was meant to facilitate getting access to this market, and I also question the wisdom and logistics of transporting live eels 5000 miles away to Beijing or China in the age of environmentalism and sustainability.

There is a market for seafood in China. High end for the well off.

Being in the EU was not stopping this trade. Some sectors of fishing industry were doing well out of it. Not criticising them for that. I grew up in fishing area. Glad that the growth of Chinese market gave some of them a living.

As I showed in previous posts the Brexit "cranks" UKIP and the businessman were blaming EU for something that had nothing to do with EU. The eels were endangered species under international agreements. So no legal export to China

This is example of how Brexit cranks managed to shift debate to blaming EU for things EU was not responsible for.

Unless the argument goes terrible EU for supporting international agreements to protect endangered species.