The big Brexit thread - news, updates and discussion

[not-bono-ever]

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[rummo]

Brexit just isn't the same without Mark Francois contributions.

 

[Pickman's model]

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Good point well made

 

[brogdale]

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Wry smiles from Iceland?

 

[Badgers]

Daily Wail advice is a strong message...

 

[TopCat]

We will keep our lamb and fish and jolly tasty it will be too.
The EU can keep IKEA.

Ikea latest firm to suffer shortages and delays due to clogged UK ports

Swedish chain says it is struggling to meet demand and apologises to customers

www.theguardian.com

 

[not-bono-ever]

Glasgow salad with everything

 

[The39thStep]

Here’s a thread that’s genuinely frightening and also contains a photo of Margaret thatchers tinned food cupboard.

As a thread about concerns about food shortages in the 70s its intersting. However in trying to link it withe the Common Market or EU it 'over eggs the pudding' tbh. The sugar shortage was very short lived affected not just the UK but other countries .There was a minor wave of panic buying salt due to some rumours about Serbia despite most of our salt coming from Cheshire The bread shortage was due to industrial action in the UK as were other shortages in the 60s and 70s . A scan through the 80s and 90s even the 2000s will show loads of stuff about shortages or fear of shortages.

 

[pesh]

Daily Wail advice is a strong message...

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they don't understand toast?

 

[not-bono-ever]

Daily Wail advice is a strong message...

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They will have to pry my avocado smash from my cold dead hands

 

[not-bono-ever]

As a thread about concerns about food shortages in the 70s its intersting. However in trying to link it withe the Common Market or EU it 'over eggs the pudding' tbh. The sugar shortage was very short lived affected not just the UK but other countries .There was a minor wave of panic buying salt due to some rumours about Serbia despite most of our salt coming from Cheshire The bread shortage was due to industrial action in the UK as were other shortages in the 60s and 70s . A scan through the 80s and 90s even the 2000s will show loads of stuff about shortages or fear of shortages.

A generation of adults who remembered the war probably escalated shortage worries

 

[ska invita]

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Crossed the line from brinkmanship into pure pantomime there - i bet his UK audience love it

Fomented, but not (necessarily) executed. There are those who've been planning and pushing for Brexit for a long time, and I'm pretty sure at least some of the ERG-type MPs and some fellow travellers outside the parliamentary party - Crispin Odey, Jeremy Hosking and similar, plus figures more distant from the Tories, such as Arron Banks - have been trying to force the government in a no-deal direction all along. But I don't think many who've actually been in government - in the sense of being at Cabinet level - since 2016 wanted a 'no-deal' outcome. Many of them seem to have drunk their own Kool-Aid about Johnny Foreigner rolling over and giving the UK everything it wants, others overestimated their own ability to make a deal, and/or they've all been too weak, too divided or too incompetent to stop the hardliners slowly closing down the other possible outcomes.

Cabinet heads have been saying all along We cant get a good deal unless the threat of no deal is firmly on the table - so now its firmly on the table. Mission accomplished.
Johnson knows he can uturn at any moment and bluster any last minute deal as a magnificent hard fought xmas present etc etc, and no one will give a shit that he just said yesterday that No prime minister could ever allow it etc

Odds are there'll be a late deal, painted as a military victory, and the gunboats will stand down lol.

(or its a no deal afterall, im betting on that horse too! )

We will keep our lamb and fish and jolly tasty it will be too.
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well as already discussed meat farmers are about to lose their subsidies so whatever happens on deal or no deal its going to massively shrink UK meat production. which im happy about. id like to see it fade out completely. and it may well do. i expect vast majority of meat will be imported in 10 years time.

 

[Supine]

Brexit just isn't the same without Mark Francois contributions.

I wonder what ever happened to that shit bag

 

[Lorca]

I see the National Farmers Union have been busted secretly lobbying george eustace to reintroduce neonicotinoids (since they're banned by the eu) post brexit. This is really worrying imo, i guess not too many people care much about the catastrophic decline in bee numbers but they're an extremely important part of the eco-system. I suspect a lot of this type of lobbying is going on behind closed doors as we speak.

 

[TopCat]

Glasgow salad with everything

What is Glasgow salad?

 

[two sheds]

The bread shortage was due to industrial action in the UK

 

[The39thStep]

Funnily enough I went to his wedding.

 

[TopCat]

The rerouting of cargo has affected produce suppliers such as Minor, Weir and Willis, which said it had two container loads of ginger stuck in Zeebrugge. They could be driven to the UK within 12 hours but the company told the Grocer magazine that the paperwork could take days, a situation the company described as “maddening”.

 

[not-bono-ever]

What is Glasgow salad?

Chips

 

[TopCat]

Now we are staring at no deal, hyperbole aside, what do you all predict will actually happen?

 

[ska invita]

Now we are staring at no deal, hyperbole aside, what do you all predict will actually happen?

we know the options, both are possible, but none of us can truly know what scheming is going on inside their sick calculating minds.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Now we are staring at no deal, hyperbole aside, what do you all predict will actually happen?

Everything will get more awkward and more expensive.

 

[not-bono-ever]

Everything will get more awkward and more expensive.

pretty much, yes

 

[TopCat]

Everything will get more awkward and more expensive.

Not everything surely? Stuff produced and sold here will not necessarily go up in price?
Tariffs on IKEA furniture and Mercedes cars and other eu imports. All the stuff we get from china will keep flowing.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Everything will get more awkward and more expensive.

While wages are frozen for the next three years.

 

[TopCat]

Will the lack of a deal and a refusal to sign up to the EU's contingency plans really ground planes for instance?

 

[TopCat]

While wages are frozen for the next three years.

They have been frozen for many since 2008.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

They have been frozen for many since 2008.

I know. I'm one of those people. But we've just had concrete announcements for the public sector, so if a no deal pushes prices up, we're pretty much guaranteed yet more funnelling of wealth to the rich.

 

[not-bono-ever]

Not everything surely? Stuff produced and sold here will not necessarily go up in price?
Tariffs on IKEA furniture and Mercedes cars and other eu imports. All the stuff we get from china will keep flowing.

China, as with pretty much the rest of the non EU world usually falls under existing EU agreements - we dont have a FTA with china yet- would be tricky to set up. We dont have the expertise in house to to sort out trading agreements easily- we have relied upon the EU to spearhead these kind of things. It can be done but we will be ripped by those who construct advatageous bully deals as a living eg the USA


eta, the EU are likely to well machiavellian about future deals with other places and push that they get priority over the UK

 

[gosub]

Will the lack of a deal and a refusal to sign up to the EU's contingency plans really ground planes for instance?

Yes. Indirectly

Without formal recogn of admin systems, the get out for the insurance companies is too large for any airline to consider itself insured.