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[Bahnhof Strasse]

It's barking that NZ lamb is sold anywhere other than NZ, it's too remote a place to screw the planet to grow meat that you further screw the planet transporting across the planet.


This attitude may make NZ uninhabitable, but just could leave the rest of the planet habitable, so...

 

[ska invita]

It is actually quite impressive what a thick twat Boris is.

Dont you mean expert hardball brinksman negotiator

 

[bimble]

Why do we export so much produce only to import the same? Local food for local people, or else the planet dies.

The more you look at it the stupider it gets. I looked up the lamb conundrum a while ago & think it was to do with the British mostly just wanting to eat the legs. So export the rest of the sheep, buy more legs, from other side of planet.

 

[Shechemite]

Surely we should buy the other bits to drive up demand for sheep non-leg bits

 

[brogdale]

We have 4 ships?



What could possibly go wrong?

 

[Pickman's model]

We have 4 ships?

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What could possibly go wrong?

Bet they don't have engines

 

[brogdale]

Bet they don't have engines

You say that, but...

 

[Pickman's model]

You say that, but...

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He won't get far if he tries to flee south georgia

 

[Artaxerxes]

We have 4 ships?

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What could possibly go wrong?

We've got four ships but Britain is perilously short of seamen.

 

[brogdale]

We've got four ships but Britain is perilously short of seamen.

A real Friday drinks post

 

[TopCat]

If the NZ lamb would otherwise have been sold in the rest of the EU, this arrangement doesn't necessarily add that many freight-miles to the totals involved.

It predates the EU.

 

[TopCat]

The more you look at it the stupider it gets. I looked up the lamb conundrum a while ago & think it was to do with the British mostly just wanting to eat the legs. So export the rest of the sheep, buy more legs, from other side of planet.

I love shoulder. They wont sell it here.

 

[not-bono-ever]

Interesting to see Australia used as a type of solution that’s isn’t a real solution at all.I’m trying to think of weak metaphors to take The piss but I have just had my pre tea time nap and am a little befuddled

 

[brogdale]

Interesting to see “Australia” used as a type of solution.I’m trying to think of weak metaphors to take The piss but I have just had my pre tea time nap and am a little befuddled

In this case the swivel-eyed horde are merely using the name of that country as shorthand for any nation state that doesn't have a recognised trading relationship with the supra-state beyond default WTO determined arrangements.

You can see why they use it, tbf.

 

[ska invita]

In this case the swivel-eyed horde are merely using the name of that country as shorthand for any nation state that doesn't have a recognised trading relationship with the supra-state beyond default WTO determined arrangements.

You can see why they use it, tbf.

crucially a CANZUK one too

 

[bimble]

It will have been thinktanked , Australia conjures up happy upbeat associations like beaches, bouncy marsupials & blondes, sounds better than a Kyrgyzstan style deal.

 

[The39thStep]

I love shoulder. They wont sell it here.

Why’s that ?

 

[gosub]

Interesting to see Australia used as a type of solution that’s isn’t a real solution at all.I’m trying to think of weak metaphors to take The piss but I have just had my pre tea time nap and am a little befuddled

Australia and EU are still working on a trade deal, but they have, (after protracted negotiation) agreed that standards are sufficiently good and similar for an MRA.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Can someone please explain to me what the obsession with bloody fishing is all about in this ridiculous country? Some fuckwit romantic notion of Britannia ruling the waves?

 

[maomao]

It predates the EU.

Indeed. A local chap was telling me earlier in the year that the common market had ruined it all and that we'd been getting New Zealand lamb a lot cheaper before Europe happened. He just rolled his eyes when I mentioned food miles though.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Can someone please explain to me what the obsession with bloody fishing is all about in this ridiculous country? Some fuckwit romantic notion of Britannia ruling the waves?

Visibily decayed port towns due a mix of fishing declining along with changes in travel patterns meaning no fucker goes to the seaside for holidays (aside from maybe Blackpool)

Its akin to the dead and dying towns after the mines closed and many of the people involved were told it was the EU to blame for setting quotas on fish, failing to note that without quotas on fishing the seas around the UK would be ecologically fucking dead. Even with the quotas the stocks of fish are fucked.



Its also worth noting that for a fishing nation we've always exporting a shit ton of our catch, we only eat actual fish fish like Cod, Herring Mackerel, maybe some crabs and the odd shellfish but the vast bulk of the catch used to wind up overseas.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Can someone please explain to me what the obsession with bloody fishing is all about in this ridiculous country? Some fuckwit romantic notion of Britannia ruling the waves?

Even if fishing were a huge sector of the UK economy, which it isn't, losing acces to EU markets would tank it anyway.

 

[kabbes]

I suspect there is also some security justification in there about knowing who is in our waters and for what purpose. Or porpoise, possibly.

 

[teuchter]

While it may be crazy that we export lamb to NZ whilst also importing it, it's not necessarily true that it's more harmful for us to eat NZ lamb than UK lamb, because the transport impact might be outweighed by other factors; this is quite often the case for foodstuffs because some places need less energy input into their farming methods due to climate or land availability and so on.

Of course if we really wanted to reduce the impact of the lamb we eat, the best thing to do would simply to eat much less, or none of it, regardless of where it comes from.

 

[Pickman's model]

Visibily decayed port towns due a mix of fishing declining along with changes in travel patterns meaning no fucker goes to the seaside for holidays (aside from maybe Blackpool)

Its akin to the dead and dying towns after the mines closed and many of the people involved were told it was the EU to blame for setting quotas on fish, failing to note that without quotas on fishing the seas around the UK would be ecologically fucking dead. Even with the quotas the stocks of fish are fucked.

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Its also worth noting that for a fishing nation we've always exporting a shit ton of our catch, we only eat actual fish fish like Cod, Herring Mackerel, maybe some crabs and the odd shellfish but the vast bulk of the catch used to wind up overseas.

Loads of people go to cleethorpes (humberston fitties), borth and filey

And much of the UK quota of fishing is owned by non-british people. It is a strange ditch to die in

 

[Mr.Bishie]

And much of the UK quota of fishing is owned by non-british people. It is a strange ditch to die in

There’s currently 10 super trawlers taking the piss in the channel right now.

Nine 'supertrawlers' fishing off Sussex coast spark fears for wildlife

Nine “super trawlers” are currently fishing off the coast of Brighton, prompting fears from a wildlife charity.

www.theargus.co.uk

 

[Smangus]

There's a right wing fetish about an OZ, UK , Canadian, NZ kind of trading/business arrangement bloc. For this read white and English speaking . There are coordinated contacts between right wing conservative groupings in these countries to promote this idea. A no deal Brexit is manna to them as it is a massive step towards this concept becoming reality for them given the size of the UK economy. This is what is behind the promotion of the "Australia" type deal. There is an endgame here.

 

[Yossarian]

Can someone please explain to me what the obsession with bloody fishing is all about in this ridiculous country? Some fuckwit romantic notion of Britannia ruling the waves?

I think it's a lot to do with how a lot of Leavers see themselves and their country - fishermen are romanticised as brave, independent hunter-gathers working in a traditional profession, who nobly go out to do battle with nature and bring back food for the nation, and never mind that most of what they catch is herring etc. for export and more people work in Argos than in fishing and fish processing.

 

[ska invita]

There's a right wing fetish about an OZ, UK , Canadian, NZ kind of trading/business arrangement bloc. For this read white and English speaking . There are coordinated contacts between right wing conservative groupings in these countries to promote this idea. A no deal Brexit is manna to them as it is a massive step towards this concept becoming reality for them given the size of the UK economy. This is what is behind the promotion of the "Australia" type deal. There is an endgame here.

Yes, CANZUK.

CANZUK - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[TopCat]

Why’s that ?

No one wants it supposedly. Same with sheepskin. All gets exported. Who benefits?