The Brexit process

[Raheem]

Barnier is an odious parasitical cunt!

You've obviously had a good look at him.

OTOH, worth noting that he denies having said the stuff about wanting to "educate the UK", and claims it's just nonsense made up by the British press. I'm going to stick my neck out and say that's at least plausible.

 

[bemused]

OTOH, worth noting that he denies having said the stuff about wanting to "educate the UK", and claims it's just nonsense made up by the British press. I'm going to stick my neck out and say that's at least plausible.

Reading his tweet denying he said it, I suspect the general sentiment was along the same lines as the news reports.

 

[Raheem]

Reading his tweet denying he said it, I suspect the general sentiment was along the same lines as the news reports.

Who knows? Mind you, I might grow some respect for him if he turns up to the next meeting with DD wearing a cape and mortarboard like the teacher in the Bash Street Kids.

 

[gosub]

Who knows? Mind you, I might grow some respect for him if he turns up to the next meeting with DD wearing a cape and mortarboard like the teacher in the Bash Street Kids.

Not helpful, my old latin teacher used to wear the garb, ending up making things MORE Bash Street kids

 

[belboid]

Government strategy document leaks. Basically at seems to be just saying Britain First (but we'll be happy to wait a while) a lot

The draft Home Office post-Brexit immigration policy document in full

 

[BemusedbyLife]

You can tell it's a serious document because it has flowcharts and graphs in it, not Powerpoint though so loses a bit of seriousness there, even the dumbest manager where I work understands the importance of putting stuff in Powerpoint.

 

[belboid]

Pish. You only use PowerPoint if you intend to deliberately show it to people, not pass it around under the desk surreptitiously.

 

[Poi E]

No surprises. It states in parts that immigration should benefit existing residents and that where possible labour should be drawn locally. The first wouldn't be hard to show. A person working and paying taxes of whatever nationality benefits residents. Or are we talking other criteria being applied to benefit the locals? The second point carries with it policy considerations like ensuring a sufficiently qualified labour force and protecting that force from competition. Not really compatible with a low tax deregulated economy like the Tory right would like.

 

[ska invita]

Initial impression is it is designed to keep the door open for business, but be annoying enough to put many people off from coming to the UK. Its not exactly the nudge-policy the Tories are into, more sharp elbow in the ribs on entry.

For example it allows a mechanism for farmers to hire 'seasonal workers', but definitely in an even more second-class citizen fashion. I think the 2 and 3 year work visas will put a lot of people off from coming to the UK...its hard to move to a new country and takes time to settle in. 2 years flies by, even for those who plan on returning home. And there'll have to be a points-style process to work out how long a visa you get issued.

If those work visas are easy to renew then people might well stay for longer - bouncing back over the border every couple of years. But many will be put off on principle, and as long as there are other places to find work that aren't the UK.

Will be interesting to see the response from the EU in terms of what rights British citizens will have in return.

Some leaks are put out strategically for the better...this one seems designed to fuck things up and throw the cat amongst the pigeons.

 

[BemusedbyLife]

Pish. You only use PowerPoint if you intend to deliberately show it to people, not pass it around under the desk surreptitiously.

Good point I stand corrected

 

[bemused]

Initial impression is it is designed to keep the door open for business, but be annoying enough to put many people off from coming to the UK. Its not exactly the nudge-policy the Tories are into, more sharp elbow in the ribs on entry.

They seem to be trying to apply the rules that already apply if you are outside the EU.

 

[not-bono-ever]

I read this as a discreet nod to ratchet up the black economy

 

[NoXion]

EU chief negotiator Michel Barnier says he will 'teach the UK what leaving the single market means'




Our reply: YOUR MUM!

To think that I was greeted with skepticism when I expressed the opinion that Brussels would seek to punish the UK for daring to leave the perfect EU.

 

[Raheem]

To think that I was greeted with skepticism when I expressed the opinion that Brussels would seek to punish the UK for daring to leave the perfect EU.

As punishments go, though, ill-judged but probably fair mockery isn't really off the scale.

 

[Poi E]

I read this as a discreet nod to ratchet up the black economy

And it signals a hard Brexit. The immigration proposals are incompatible with any access to the single market.

Not sure why May continues the negotiations. Let's go hard Brexit and hopefully break up the UK.

 

[Pickman's model]

To think that I was greeted with skepticism when I expressed the opinion that Brussels would seek to punish the UK for daring to leave the perfect EU.

Yeh. I don't think it's punishing the UK. It's just what leaving the EU means.

 

[Poi E]

I'm liking Juncker today, questioning the stability and accountability of Davis. Cheeky bloody sort of froggie. Get back to your vino quaffing.

 

[J Ed]

Jesus fucking christ these people

 

[Poi E]

Farage speaking at an AfD event complaining that the Germans are not talking about Brexit enough. He's keeping good company. Trotted out the old German car industry bollocks. Truth is Brits will still buy German cars even if they go up by 15% due to tariffs. Only another £30 on the monthly payment.

 

[BemusedbyLife]

Farage speaking at an AfD event complaining that the Germans are not talking about Brexit enough. He's keeping good company. Trotted out the old German car industry bollocks. Truth is Brits will still buy German cars even if they go up by 15% due to tariffs. Only another £30 on the monthly payment.

I had some nitwit at work who told me that due to Brexit that he wasn't going to buy a BMW or an Audi due to Brexit (obviously earns more than I suspect he does) but had bought a good British model instead, a Ford Focus. Wasn't too happy when I pointed out that a) Ford are of course American and b) the Focus is made in Germany

 

[Raheem]

I had some nitwit at work who told me that due to Brexit that he wasn't going to buy a BMW or an Audi due to Brexit (obviously earns more than I suspect he does) but had bought a good British model instead, a Ford Focus. Wasn't too happy when I pointed out that a) Ford are of course American and b) the Focus is made in Germany

He'll be able to buy British-made cars for years to come. Provided he doesn't mind second-hand.

 

[stethoscope]

I'm liking Juncker today, questioning the stability and accountability of Davis. Cheeky bloody sort of froggie. Get back to your vino quaffing.

Juncker the austerity driving neoliberal EC president. Not much to like there.

But liberals will end up placing themselves into one corner of the indefensible, just to land a swipe at the other corner of the indefensible.

 

[stethoscope]

Meanwhile, the EUs greatest supporter, wanting to get tougher on freedom of movement and immigration so as to desperately remain in.

Tony Blair: get tough on immigration to stop Brexit

 

[Poi E]

Juncker the austerity driving neoliberal EC president. Not much to like there.

But liberals will end up placing themselves into one corner of the indefensible, just to land a swipe at the other corner of the indefensible.

Your po-faced knee-jerking is pretty dour. It was hardly a defence of Juncker.

Are you one of these alt right, throwing around the world "liberal"

 

[redsquirrel]

Meanwhile, the EUs greatest supporter, wanting to get tougher on freedom of movement and immigration so as to desperately remain in.

Tony Blair: get tough on immigration to stop Brexit

Echoing the same line Umunna did, behold the deeply held commitment to freedom of movement of these people.

 

[butchersapron]

Your po-faced knee-jerking is pretty dour. It was hardly a defence of Juncker.

Are you one of these alt right, throwing around the world "liberal"

Did brexit really break your brain? You used to be a decent coherent anti-power poster. Went away, came back post-brexit like you'd had a 2x4 accident.

 

[Poi E]

Did brexit really break your brain? You used to be a decent coherent anti-power poster. Went away, came back post-brexit like you'd had a 2x4 accident.

And you direct your anger increasingly in the form of embittered, personal attacks.

 

[butchersapron]

And you direct your anger increasingly in the form of embittered, personal attacks.

Increasingly? I'd say it's - at worst - the same level as before the brexit vote. In all likelihood at a lower level. I have the same disdain for people who pretend there's a separation between them and their politics though.

 

[Raheem]

Meanwhile, the EUs greatest supporter, wanting to get tougher on freedom of movement and immigration so as to desperately remain in.

Tony Blair: get tough on immigration to stop Brexit

Do you sometimes get the feeling he might actually be a bit too fucking stupid to count as properly evil?

 

[mojo pixy]

Sadly, I don't believe he's that stupid.