Should the death penalty be reintroduced in the UK?

[Aaronf]

Congratulations. This means you are more intelligent that at least 188 other posters on these boards.

I doubt that but even then, there are different ways to measure intelligence? I don't think it's fair to say that large number of posters have a lack of intelligence.

I'm open to the fact that sometimes I say things in the heat of the moment etc and especially on such an emotive and controversial subject like this. I think it comes from (being a good person) - I find it hard to comprehend or compute I guess why or how people can do these things. Whatever part of my brain doesn't work properly in being rational about that straight away skews things and my reaction.

I think I know deep down aside all that ^ that no is the right and fair answer really.

 

[Aaronf]

Why? Because you’re appalled by the crimes? We all are. But why does that make you want to commit a cold blooded crime against them?

Appalled yes and my reaction to that for reasons I can't control I think skews what I think is appropriate punishment.

 

[Saul Goodman]

Hypnotising dogs for example, legal but very, very wrong.

Depends on the desired outcome. If your goal is to stop it smoking, then why not?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Depends on the desired outcome. If your goal is to stop it smoking, then why not?

Dogs shouldn't be smoking in the first place. They have enough filthy habits already.

 

[PTK]

Dogs shouldn't be smoking in the first place. They have enough filthy habits already.

I would rather that dogs smoked than did some of the things they do.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

In the States, I believe death row prisoners are locked up in solitary confinement.

Depends on the state, Texas they are in solitary, Mississippi they are in the general population, others have death rows where the prisoners there mix.

 

[klang]

Dogs shouldn't be smoking in the first place. They have enough filthy habits already.

The ones that do should pay for their vet bills themselves

 

[Saul Goodman]

The ones that do should pay for their vet bills themselves

I think the tobacco companies should be responsible.

 

[Skinny Ethel]

Michael mchintyre only.

 

[danny la rouge]

Dogs shouldn't be smoking in the first place. They have enough filthy habits already.

cough There’s ways to stop it, though.

 

[Jammy smears]

Depends on the state, Texas they are in solitary, Mississippi they are in the general population, others have death rows where the prisoners there mix.

Reminds me of a show I watched a few years ago called "Rectify" about a man finally released after almost two decades on death row. Watching that show should be enough to put anyone off capital punishment.

 

[hash tag]

Depends on the state, Texas they are in solitary, Mississippi they are in the general population, others have death rows where the prisoners there mix.

Interesting, have just looked for sources. Death Row Mississippi is now really nice by comparison:

The End of Mississippi's Notorious Supermax Unit - Solitary Watch

Even in a nation known for its draconian prison conditions and brutal lockdown units, the supermax portion of Mississippi’s state penitentiary stood out. Critics and residents described it as a “horrific” and “wretched” place of “hopelessness and despair.” Or, as Chris Joyner described it last...

solitarywatch.org

"None of this means that all is well in the Mississippi prison system–far from it. The state’s prisoners–including, no doubt, many of those moved out of Unit 32–still suffer from inadequate health care, overcrowding, and a host of other problems. But it seems like a significant victory, especially when it comes to challenging the excessive, arbitrary, and inhumane use of solitary confinement. In a press release issued by the ACLU, Margaret Winter said, “This facility was truly a dangerous and degrading environment for prisoners and staff alike. The fact that this facility is now being closed is a great end to the long road that we have been on.”

Further reading from old friend wiki...

"When the prosecution seeks the death penalty, the sentence is decided by the jury and must be unanimous. If the jury recommends death, it is required to record what it considers the "aggravating circumstances" about the crime that led it to that decision.
In case of a hung jury during the penalty phase of the trial, the judge issues a life sentence, even if only one juror opposed death (there is no retrial).
The power of clemency belongs to the Governor of Mississippi."

Thanks to Bakunin ( who sadly is no longer around} I found this book by Donald Cabana who ran a death row prison and was very anti death penalty.

Death at midnight : the confession of an executioner : Cabana, Donald A : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

xii, 200 pages : 24 cm

archive.org

 

[Aaronf]

I wonder, will all states in America ever all have the same laws and rules? I know it's an absolutely massive country but have always found it fascinating that one area could have or has different laws to the next. I was looking on Google maps earlier and like how they have monuments etc. denoting where state borders meet.

 

[Aaronf]

Firstly, this isn't a reactionary in the sense of 'bring back the death penalty for them' - it's just I don't know where else to put it aside from starting a new thread. Is there a thread for "being appalled by a crime news story"? I think a title along those lines would be appropriate?

Anyway, Children being raped and abused in hotels, police data reveals

Once again, something like this is only a few articles down on the main page of BBC's site in the news. That's worrying in itself that it is so common and this is just very recently where it's over and over stories like this

I think they get to me so much for reasons I've said before - struggling to comprehend or compute how one human being can perpetrate such actions against another, especially a vulnerable one and especially a child. It could be smacked or beaten around my head continuously (poor turn of phrase i know) the bare fact that it just happens but it doesn't sink in I think to address how I react or feel about it I do have a friend who I don't see often but did (without going into details) confide in me once she suffered SA as a child and it is heartbreaking

In this case the reason it has gotten to me and made me upset is as I have often stayed in hotels and the well known 'cheapest' chains for work when working away and not wanting to have a long or late drive back depending on things. To think that this goes on now I've been made aware of it through a news article has just stunned me and made my brain once again break down I could have been checking in at any number of times in the last few years and to think this could have been happening at the same time or the same place has sickened me. Please delete or if there's any suggestions on how better to keep posting or not even concerning this way then they'd be welcome.