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The Brexit process

butchersapron said:
I wonder if they are trying to get deselection back on the agenda - i.e some sort of trap.
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deselected for trying to stop the UK becoming a dumping ground for every sub standard WTO and CE regulated good and preventing UK exports being frozen out of world markets:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:
Even this "new Henry the Eighth powers" are remarkably similar to how the government conducted itself during EU membership. (I thinkthey will need revoking, but AFTER all the t's crossed and i's dotted on the transition)
 
redsquirrel said:
Echoing the same line Umunna did, behold the deeply held commitment to freedom of movement of these people.
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I know someone who is Labour party member in Chuka constituency. ( He was Brexit but for a Lexit. Only person I know in Lambeth who was Brexit ). He has heard Chuka in this. Chuka is the line that they are pro immigration but the white working class won't have it. So the right of the party who want to stay in single market need to argue for single market with immigration controls.

It's more than annoying that Chuka has this line. In Lambeth a lot of people opposed Brexit because they saw it as being about bringing in more immigration controls. As Afro Carribbean friend of mine said it was all about immigration in the end so he opposed Brexit.

Now Chuka is arguing for more immigration controls. As well as Blair ,as you say ,saying the same thing .it's infuriating.
 
not-bono-ever said:
You know him as well ?
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Do I have to? Or are you going to argue that someone who works in such environment is/can be neutral? Maybe those all nice journalists and are neutral too.

What would we do without these wonderful civil servants, free from any partisan opinions or beliefs.
 
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Gramsci said:
I know someone who is Labour party member in Chuka constituency. ( He was Brexit but for a Lexit. Only person I know in Lambeth who was Brexit ). He has heard Chuka in this. Chuka is the line that they are pro immigration but the white working class won't have it. So the right of the party who want to stay in single market need to argue for single market with immigration controls.

It's more than annoying that Chuka has this line. In Lambeth a lot of people opposed Brexit because they saw it as being about bringing in more immigration controls. As Afro Carribbean friend of mine said it was all about immigration in the end so he opposed Brexit.

Now Chuka is arguing for more immigration controls. As well as Blair ,as you say ,saying the same thing .it's infuriating.
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Umunna would argue for feeding his granny to a crocodile if he thought there was a market for it.
 
Great article on the Saker about Brexit, essentially saying we need to avoid distractions as Corbyn needs to keep the focus on anti-austerity, which is opposite of EU policy.

Am I still happy about my Brexit vote? | The Vineyard of the Saker

Am I still happy about my Brexit vote?

Jack J.

What would have happened if England/the UK had scraped a Remain victory1?

  1. Cameron would have been lauded as a hero by the Tories, EU top-brass and even high profile Labour and the lib-dem figures. As would have Blair, Brown, May, and various other despicable people. Instead Cameron has been ridiculed and castrated; forced to live the rest of his sorry existence outside of Westminster.
  2. Johnson would able to play the gallant loser and ‘whip-up the Tory base’. Instead he’s been exposed as a liar and positioned, by May, to take the blame for a lot of the Brexit mess. (He could still be Mayor of London right now, but thankfully we have a Labour Mayor, albeit a Blairite.)
  3. Farage and UKIP would still be plastered all over the MSM. I’m still disgusted about how much coverage they get, but thankfully they have been shattered as an electoral force. (For the record I consider them a ploy by the establishment to dress up a load of Tories as anti-establishment and thus a) poach disenfranchised Labour voters (many of whom would never vote ‘Tory’) and b) make the Tory party look ‘less racist’.)
  4. All the dirty lies that the Leave campaign told wouldn’t have come out. £350 million/week etc.
  5. The chicken coup wouldn’t have happened; whilst the Blairite scum would have surely got the knives out for Corbyn at some point, they could not have made more of a mess of it than they did. (Arrgh!)
  6. The Scottish Parliament would not have passed a bill for an INDE II. (Something that may well have been an important factor in May’s decision to hold an election.)
  7. The Tories would be about to hold a leadership contest, one which May and Johnson could compete in, which would include a large dose of hypothetical Brexit, and which would look reasonably respectable. Instead the one they tried holding was so excruciatingly embarrassing they called it off and crowned May, thus demonstrating to everyone their utter contempt for democracy and debate, as well as their lack of individuals with talent/competency.
 
Yossarian said:
They'd be holding a leadership contest because after his election win in 2015, Cameron said he would step down before 2020. A promise he fulfilled a little sooner than he expected...
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They wouldn't be holding it now, though. Especially if he had been lauded as a hero after the win (although, had the win been very close, he wouldn't have been lauded as a hero at all)
 
roryer said:
Great article on the Saker about Brexit, essentially saying we need to avoid distractions as Corbyn needs to keep the focus on anti-austerity, which is opposite of EU policy.

Am I still happy about my Brexit vote? | The Vineyard of the Saker

Am I still happy about my Brexit vote?

Jack J.

What would have happened if England/the UK had scraped a Remain victory1?

  1. Cameron would have been lauded as a hero by the Tories, EU top-brass and even high profile Labour and the lib-dem figures. As would have Blair, Brown, May, and various other despicable people. Instead Cameron has been ridiculed and castrated; forced to live the rest of his sorry existence outside of Westminster.
  2. Johnson would able to play the gallant loser and ‘whip-up the Tory base’. Instead he’s been exposed as a liar and positioned, by May, to take the blame for a lot of the Brexit mess. (He could still be Mayor of London right now, but thankfully we have a Labour Mayor, albeit a Blairite.)
  3. Farage and UKIP would still be plastered all over the MSM. I’m still disgusted about how much coverage they get, but thankfully they have been shattered as an electoral force. (For the record I consider them a ploy by the establishment to dress up a load of Tories as anti-establishment and thus a) poach disenfranchised Labour voters (many of whom would never vote ‘Tory’) and b) make the Tory party look ‘less racist’.)
  4. All the dirty lies that the Leave campaign told wouldn’t have come out. £350 million/week etc.
  5. The chicken coup wouldn’t have happened; whilst the Blairite scum would have surely got the knives out for Corbyn at some point, they could not have made more of a mess of it than they did. (Arrgh!)
  6. The Scottish Parliament would not have passed a bill for an INDE II. (Something that may well have been an important factor in May’s decision to hold an election.)
  7. The Tories would be about to hold a leadership contest, one which May and Johnson could compete in, which would include a large dose of hypothetical Brexit, and which would look reasonably respectable. Instead the one they tried holding was so excruciatingly embarrassing they called it off and crowned May, thus demonstrating to everyone their utter contempt for democracy and debate, as well as their lack of individuals with talent/competency.
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Pity the castration metaphorical rather than actual
 


Interesting, despite being from Banks' odious Westmonster channel.

Skinner wouldnt give em a penny. Is this a realistic possibility for a future Labour government? What might the consequences actually be?
 
The sole purpose of her plan is to save her own political skin, but it's not actually a bad idea so I suppose doing the right thing for the wrong reasons is better than doing the wrong thing.
plus one massive bonus she seems to haved pissed off Farage and no-one will ever convince me that's wrong.
 
Not sure that Florence did anything beyond muddy already muddied waters and as SpookyFrank said, it can all change in an instant. The main purpose was probably for tories, flunkies and the press to have an autumn jolly somewhere nice on expenses.
 
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