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[BobDavis]

You utter Leavy bastards...Leave means no leaves.

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If you read that Guardian article the UK tree supplier points out that the UK government is not reciprocating by preventing imports of European trees into UK which he claims bring in disease like Ash dieback.

 

[kebabking]

Tbf the Irish traffic between say Holyhead & Dover is not massive in the great scheme of things but it was a big part of ferry revenue between Ireland & UK so less tax revenue for UK & possible job losses on Irish Sea routes.

Yes there are always 2 sides of course. Those that are fucked off with 44tonne artics slowing their drive to Tesco’s to buy the produce that Tesco’s grows behind all of their superstores will be happy with a few less trucks on the road and of course while the fishermen go bankrupt the conservationists will be happy that the fish are staying in the sea.

So, to be clear, you think that the only benefit to not having X quantity of 44 tonne lorries driving 200+ miles's through the UK is 20 seconds less congestion at the Tesco roundabout?

Do you want to close your eyes, take a deep breath, and have a little think about the concept of political blindness?

I think there are downsides to brexit, and they are far larger than queues at ferryports, a shortage of avacados and increased postage charges for musical equipment for crap boy bands - but that doesn't blind me to upsides, as well as some downsides of staying in.

Membership - or not - of the EU is a hugely complex subject that has countless implications across every facet of cultural, economic, political, security and diplomatic spheres. The idea that it can be simply categorised as either 'great', or 'shit', with the counterfactual also being either 'great', or 'shit' is so utterly ignorant that anyone proposing such is - by definition - a drooling fucking simpleton.

 

[Pickman's model]

So, to be clear, you think that the only benefit to not having X quantity of 44 tonne lorries driving 200+ miles's through the UK is 20 seconds less congestion at the Tesco roundabout?

Do you want to close your eyes, take a deep breath, and have a little think about the concept of political blindness?

I think there are downsides to brexit, and they are far larger than queues at ferryports, a shortage of avacados and increased postage charges for musical equipment for crap boy bands - but that doesn't blind me to upsides, as well as some downsides of staying in.

Membership - or not - of the EU is a hugely complex subject that has countless implications across every facet of cultural, economic, political, security and diplomatic spheres. The idea that it can be simply categorised as either 'great', or 'shit', with the counterfactual also being either 'great', or 'shit' is so utterly ignorant that anyone proposing such is - by definition - a drooling fucking simpleton.

that's doing drooling simpletons down

 

[Maggot]

I don’t believe you. I don’t believe you genuinely thought that two months into Brexit somebody was going to provide you with The Answer to why Brexit had already provided you with a concrete, tangible thing for you to accept and say, “well that’s okay then”. You’re dripping with disingenuousness and you’re just making yourself look foolish by insisting it was all open-hearted good faith. Nobody asking in good faith ends their request with a pass-agg pre-emptive strike against potential answers, for a start.

You don't want to answer the question so you attack the person asking it. That's a pretty nasty tactic. I thought you were better than that.

 

[TopCat]

You don't want to answer the question so you attack the person asking it. That's a pretty nasty tactic. I thought you were better than that.

It was a call out thread, framed to supposedly assist in attacking leave supporters, it was supported by the editor and shut by remainer fridgmagnet when it veered into making some remainers here look foolish.

 

[andysays]

If you read that Guardian article the UK tree supplier points out that the UK government is not reciprocating by preventing imports of European trees into UK which he claims bring in disease like Ash dieback.

There is no real doubt about the fact that ash dieback was imported into Britain with trees from other parts of Europe.

And mass importation of trees and other plants is bad for biodiversity, even without introduction of disease, because it reduces the naturally occurring genetic variation of plants which have adapted over many thousands of years to particular local conditions.

If the importation of plants from other parts of Europe is reduced as a result of Brexit, this will be a definite benefit.

 

[Maggot]

It was a call out thread, framed to supposedly assist in attacking leave supporters, it was supported by the editor and shut by remainer fridgmagnet when it veered into making some remainers here look foolish.

How is a thread asking about the benefits of Brexit, a call out thread? I didn't name anyone. It was shut because it descended into the the same arguments and name calling as this thread.

 

[brogdale]

There is no real doubt about the fact that ash dieback was imported into Britain with trees from other parts of Europe.

And mass importation of trees and other plant is bad for biodiversity, even without introduction of disease, because it reduces the naturally occurring genetic variation of plants which have adapted over many thousands of years to particular local conditions.

If the importation of plants from other parts of Europe as a result of Brexit, this will be a definite benefit.

Should be a thread for those sort of Brexit benefits....get's coat

 

[andysays]

Should be a thread for those sort of Brexit benefits....get's coat

We've been over this.

There would be nothing to discuss as there are no benefits to Brexit.

 

[BobDavis]

So, to be clear, you think that the only benefit to not having X quantity of 44 tonne lorries driving 200+ miles's through the UK is 20 seconds less congestion at the Tesco roundabout?

Do you want to close your eyes, take a deep breath, and have a little think about the concept of political blindness?

I think there are downsides to brexit, and they are far larger than queues at ferryports, a shortage of avacados and increased postage charges for musical equipment for crap boy bands - but that doesn't blind me to upsides, as well as some downsides of staying in.

Membership - or not - of the EU is a hugely complex subject that has countless implications across every facet of cultural, economic, political, security and diplomatic spheres. The idea that it can be simply categorised as either 'great', or 'shit', with the counterfactual also being either 'great', or 'shit' is so utterly ignorant that anyone proposing such is - by definition - a drooling fucking simpleton.

We pardon me for being sarcastic in my post you quote. I think I started from quoting post #8,884 which also appeared sarcastic in it’s content suggesting the previous thread was closed because remainers had decided there were no benefits from brexit. Of course the subject is hugely complex. I have now accepted the result & moved on. There does however appear to be a desire from some remain voters for brexit to go horribly wrong & for it to end in utter disaster which really it is not going to do. Things will be worked out. The Spanish will certainly not want to lose their huge business in supplying UK with fruit & veg & maybe French & Spanish customers will demand supplies of Scottish shellfish be resumed ? I do know a bit about transport & I can tell you that long sea ro-ro routes are slow, expensive & more susceptible to delays due to poor weather compared to short sea & landbridge that Irish transport co’s are used to. So maybe that will revert back to what was normal in time ?

The main danger to the UK seems to be a government determined to continue the culture wars & their sheer lack of expertise in anything. If the UK voters choose they can remove them at next general election & we can only hope there is a good alternative to vote for.

 

[Raheem]

We've been over this.

There would be nothing to discuss as there are no benefits to Brexit.

Illusory benefits are fine, though. You can have as many of those as you like.

 

[philosophical]

I am contemptuous of brexit voters who say they knew what they were voting for, and they have achieved it.
If they want to be contemptuous right back I say good, go for it.
I want to be able to identify my enemy more easily, and as one individual in what is said to be a divided country I am definitely on one (the losing) side of the divide.
The faux idealistic brexiter allies who call themselves lexiters or red wallers with their skewed 'logic' and justifications, are especially held in utter contempt by me, and will be until my dying day.
Those who voted brexit were allies of Farage, Johnson, Gove and others, and given the binary choice I feel no shame being lumped in with the pig fecker compared to them.
Anyway lexiters, what are you planning to contribute to your festival of Brexit Britain?

 

[andysays]

Illusory benefits are fine, though. You can have as many of those as you like.

The benefit I've just mentioned definitely isn't illusory.

I don't expect any hardcore Remainers to have their minds changed overall by my pointing it out, but it is a real benefit nonetheless.

 

[not-bono-ever]

Futile

 

[kabbes]

You don't want to answer the question so you attack the person asking it. That's a pretty nasty tactic. I thought you were better than that.

Jesus Christ, I’ve provided in-depth answers to this question multiple times, including linking to a full fucking academic paper that looks at the consequences for land use legislation, complete with quoting the abstract. I did that in your own thread. The fact that you dismiss all of that as “don’t want to answer” proves EXACTLY my point about your bad faith in asking the question. You have no interest in understanding what the benefits might be from the perspective of different people, you just want to sneer at Brexiters.

 

[Spymaster]

Jesus Christ, I’ve provided in-depth answers to this question multiple times, including linking to a full fucking academic paper that looks at the consequences for land use legislation, complete with quoting the abstract. I did that in your own thread. The fact that you dismiss all of that as “don’t want to answer” proves EXACTLY my point about your bad faith in asking the question. You have no interest in understanding what the benefits might be from the perspective of different people, you just want to sneer at Brexiters.

You'd have had more luck with a cry-baby picture.

 

[editor]

It was a call out thread, framed to supposedly assist in attacking leave supporters, it was supported by the editor and shut by remainer fridgmagnet when it veered into making some remainers here look foolish.

And there's another thoroughly dishonest take on what actually happened, accompanied by a giant chip on your shoulder.

Did you report it? Did you ask FM why he closed it? And why haven't you done what I - and the rules - suggested ages go and opened up a thread in the feedback forum instead of droning on and on here?

 

[TopCat]

And there's another thoroughly dishonest take on what actually happened, accompanied by a giant chip on your shoulder.

Did you report it? Did you ask FM why he closed it? And why haven't you done what I - and the rules - suggested ages go and opened up a thread in the feedback forum instead of droning on and on here?

Droning on eh? You must be embarrassed given the thread is there for all to read and laugh at.

 

[TopCat]

And there's another thoroughly dishonest take on what actually happened, accompanied by a giant chip on your shoulder.

Did you report it? Did you ask FM why he closed it? And why haven't you done what I - and the rules - suggested ages go and opened up a thread in the feedback forum instead of droning on and on here?

Oh and maggot brought the discussion of that thread into here.

 

[Maggot]

Jesus Christ, I’ve provided in-depth answers to this question multiple times, including linking to a full fucking academic paper that looks at the consequences for land use legislation, complete with quoting the abstract. I did that in your own thread.

Yes, you gave one answer that had already been covered by ska invita on page one. Well done!

And in the same post when asked for benefits you said

I reject the premise

 

[kabbes]

Yes, you gave one answer that had already been covered by ska invita on page one. Well done!

Enjoy your sneering.

 

[Spymaster]

Yes, you gave one answer that had already been covered by ska invita on page one. Well done!

Ahhhh, so it's the number of answers you were given that you're not happy with.

Be honest, it was a trolling thread, identical to one that got merged into this one last week. It didn't go the way you and others had hoped (neither did the other one) and it got popped. You're now pretending that your motives for posting it were well-intentioned but nobody believes you so you are back-pedalling furiously while putting up a harrumphy smoke screen.

Fair tactic!

 

[TopCat]

Perhaps some will never accept brexit benefits unless they can weigh them at the Waitrose cheese counter.

 

[Maggot]

Ahhhh, so it's the number of answers you're given that you're not happy with.

Be honest, it was a trolling thread, identical to one that got merged into this one last week. It didn't go the way you and others had hoped (neither did the other one) and it got popped. You're now pretending that your motives for posting it were well-intentioned but nobody believes you so you are back-pedalling furiously while putting up a harrumphy smoke screen.

Fair tactic!

Spymaster accusing me of trolling

 

[editor]

Perhaps some will never accept brexit benefits unless they can weigh them at the Waitrose cheese counter.

I really no idea what you're bringing up the Waitrose cheese counter, so could you explain its relevance please?

 

[brogdale]

Gouda hell is he gonna do that?

 

[editor]

Gouda hell is he gonna do that?

Surely it's emmentalary?

 

[Spymaster]

Spymaster accusing me of trolling

Well obviously the fact that I do it better doesn’t mean that others don’t do it at all

It was a half decent attempt but you should have just left it when you were caught with your trousers down.

 

[Pickman's model]

Well obviously the fact that I do it better doesn’t mean that others don’t do it at all

It was a half decent attempt but you should have just left it when you were caught with your trousers down.

i seem to recall you starting a thread with your trousers down so Maggot, he's got the benefit of experience on this one

 

[Flavour]

Perhaps some will never accept brexit benefits unless they can weigh them at the Waitrose cheese counter.

In pounds and ounces mind