TopCat
Putin fanboy
I lament the lack of a wanker smilie.
The big Brexit thread - news, updates and discussion
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TopCat
Putin fanboy
Pretty poor for you this is.
ska invita
back on the other side
no, spymaster only posts on urban to get a rise
if you think his contribution here of "everyone is calling us racists" is useful crack on.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
It’s a theme for sure. Hidden poorly behind the thin veneer of the liberal mask.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
It's actually an improvement on his usual posting standard.
ska invita
back on the other side
your work here is done
well done
TopCat
Putin fanboy
No I don’t agree at all. Brexit is not bringing the best out of anyone really.
Only 52% of leave voters were thick racists
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
You're being selective. One of the biggest "benefits" mentioned by them and others is in no longer being part of an undemocratic bloc, the benefits of which they hope to become apparent over months and years. All the badgering by remoaners to prove benefits after a couple of weeks are totally missing the point (although we did get a quick glimpse with the NI nonsense a week or two back).
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
To be fair though some supporting leave have mentioned Waitrose apparently.
It also needs to be noted that benefits and deficits aren’t binary. Nor are they one-dimensional. There can be potential benefits that aren’t realised, there can be things that benefit one person whilst harming (or being irrelevant) to another and there can be both benefits and deficits associated with both sides simultaneously. It isn’t straightforward, frankly, and I find it exhausting how much I read on it presents the whole thing as a pantomime villain one way or the other.
Furthermore, I think that many of the problems people perceive with Brexit are actually problems with this Tory government, not with some technical trading agreement.
Furthermore, I think that many of the problems people perceive with Brexit are actually problems with this Tory government, not with some technical trading agreement.
BobDavis
Gimme All Your Lovin’
Ok let’s try again. I was mostly sad about brexit. It was a bit like a bereavement. Why was that ? Because I have always travelled in Europe. Not to far flung places but mostly Holland Belgium Germany France Spain. Always in a vehicle never by plane. I have been commercially in a truck years ago & more recently on plenty of camping trips in my car. Travelling by road makes you think. You pass through towns the names of which you forget & see people walking the streets who were born there & will probably die there just like me in my town. This town is their whole lives. The speak a different language but really they are much like me.
I loved the free movement thing. The ease at which one crossed from Dover to Calais. Or on Eurotunnel until recently they often never even checked your passport UK to France. When I went in my truck I loved the way the guys in Dutch warehouses would always give me really nice coffee & ask me about football. They all spoke to me in good English except the French but that was ok. It was part of the fun.
However I have to accept that people I have known for decades in my town. Friends of mine simply do not think like that. “You drive abroad ? On the wrong side of the road ? Fuck that”. They go on coach trips. To the Dutch bulbs fields. To Paris. They view “Europe” through a shop window not in reality. Or they go to Spain several times a year. For a week at a time. They stay in a hotel full of other Brits & get pissed every day.
When the brexit vote was for leave I will give my mates their due. They were sympathetic. “Ffs Bob you will still be able to go on holiday wtf you moaning about?”.
The sky will not fall in. Life will go on. The loss of our free movement will affect very few. I really don’t think leave voters will ever regret their leave vote. We will still go on holiday but for me it will feel different. I will feel like a foreigner in a foreign land. I will just have to deal with it & carry on camping.
I loved the free movement thing. The ease at which one crossed from Dover to Calais. Or on Eurotunnel until recently they often never even checked your passport UK to France. When I went in my truck I loved the way the guys in Dutch warehouses would always give me really nice coffee & ask me about football. They all spoke to me in good English except the French but that was ok. It was part of the fun.
However I have to accept that people I have known for decades in my town. Friends of mine simply do not think like that. “You drive abroad ? On the wrong side of the road ? Fuck that”. They go on coach trips. To the Dutch bulbs fields. To Paris. They view “Europe” through a shop window not in reality. Or they go to Spain several times a year. For a week at a time. They stay in a hotel full of other Brits & get pissed every day.
When the brexit vote was for leave I will give my mates their due. They were sympathetic. “Ffs Bob you will still be able to go on holiday wtf you moaning about?”.
The sky will not fall in. Life will go on. The loss of our free movement will affect very few. I really don’t think leave voters will ever regret their leave vote. We will still go on holiday but for me it will feel different. I will feel like a foreigner in a foreign land. I will just have to deal with it & carry on camping.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Ok let’s try again. I was mostly sad about brexit. It was a bit like a bereavement. Why was that ? Because I have always travelled in Europe. Not to far flung places but mostly Holland Belgium Germany France Spain. Always in a vehicle never by plane. I have been commercially in a truck years ago & more recently on plenty of camping trips in my car. Travelling by road makes you think. You pass through towns the names of which you forget & see people walking the streets who were born there & will probably die there just like me in my town. This town is their whole lives. The speak a different language but really they are much like me.
I loved the free movement thing. The ease at which one crossed from Dover to Calais. Or on Eurotunnel until recently they often never even checked your passport UK to France. When I went in my truck I loved the way the guys in Dutch warehouses would always give me really nice coffee & ask me about football. They all spoke to me in good English except the French but that was ok. It was part of the fun.
However I have to accept that people I have known for decades in my town. Friends of mine simply do not think like that. “You drive abroad ? On the wrong side of the road ? Fuck that”. They go on coach trips. To the Dutch bulbs fields. To Paris. They view “Europe” through a shop window not in reality. Or they go to Spain several times a year. For a week at a time. They stay in a hotel full of other Brits & get pissed every day.
When the brexit vote was for leave I will give my mates their due. They were sympathetic. “Ffs Bob you will still be able to go on holiday wtf you moaning about?”.
The sky will not fall in. Life will go on. The loss of our free movement will affect very few. I really don’t think leave voters will ever regret their leave vote. We will still go on holiday but for me it will feel different. I will feel like a foreigner in a foreign land. I will just have to deal with it & carry on camping.
Your mates were right, if you carry on travelling as you have done in the past you won't notice any difference at all.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Also, all the ammunition is getting chucked to the whiners at the moment. They're seeing the port delays, hearing all the anecdotes about duty being charged on imported goods (rightly or wrongly-there was someone blaming duty on Canadian imports on Brexit somewhere) and they're able to point at these and shout "TOLD YOU!"
After 6 weeks!
The question needs to start being asked after a year.
Honestly?
Leavers get grief and you moan about it while calling remainers this. Kind of a shit attitude mate.
Raheem
Well-Known Member
I'm not being selective, because you're talking about something the post I was referencing didn't.
All the same, maybe "no longer part of an undemocratic bloc" can count as an actual perceived benefit. I'll write that one down.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Yeah, that was deliberate to wind certain people up. I'll stop it now.
Cheers
We are all guilty of labelling people over this. I am strongly remain but have given up arguing about it.
Brexit under a competent government might have been short term hurt but under this shitshow of liars (combined with their criminal pandemic failings) has no chance of any positives for a decade at least.
For the record I work on the GB - NI and Protocol and it is mess of lies plus disaster for business. We deal with 28k traders and more are either moving operations to Europe or giving up trading with NI / EU.
Yes we will still be able to have holidays. But most importantly the corrupt UK will be able to enjoy their tax dodging ways while the poor suffer.
We Won
Get over it
toblerone3
Grrrrr
Yes I would like to rejoin the Benefits of Brexit thread. At least it had a clear focusing question. The subject of this one is way too vague.
This is a definite concrete benefit of Brexit, if you insist on one. Why the fuck would I want Britain being a lorry route for goods transiting from Ireland to France?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Appositely enough, that route from Dunkirk is particularly heroic.
BobDavis
Gimme All Your Lovin’
We have a government of lightweights who have zero knowledge of import/export & customs clearance or anything else really. The cabinet have all been chosen for their dedication to the “cause” not for their ability to do their allotted job. We have a Tory yes a Tory government who’s leader actually said “Fuck Business”. At this point business people must have known the game was up. Whatever their Tory party had become it was no longer the party of business & business people where on their own. The reason business people have not said too much publicly is because for example the boss of Tesco can hardly slag off brexit because it would be slagging off a good portion of his customer base.
So that is the government message to business. Don’t expect any help from us because we have no idea what to do. Just get on with it.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
Do you have a view on the benefits in or otherwise of lots of lorries bound for Ireland not trundling through Kent, around London, and 200 miles along the M4, or is this just more general whining?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
This would be an efficiency/carbon footprint/general environmental damage/workers' conditions question for me. If the new methods are more green when looked at as a whole, then this can be chalked up as a benefit of brexit. It can also be put on the list of 'things that could and should have been done anyway', mind you. It didn't need brexit in order to happen.
BobDavis
Gimme All Your Lovin’
Tbf the Irish traffic between say Holyhead & Dover is not massive in the great scheme of things but it was a big part of ferry revenue between Ireland & UK so less tax revenue for UK & possible job losses on Irish Sea routes.
Yes there are always 2 sides of course. Those that are fucked off with 44tonne artics slowing their drive to Tesco’s to buy the produce that Tesco’s grows behind all of their superstores will be happy with a few less trucks on the road and of course while the fishermen go bankrupt the conservationists will be happy that the fish are staying in the sea.
gosub
~#
tbf It not really a benefit if HMG carries on behaving the way it is. the Brexit we've ended up with, the democratic input and scrutiny has been appalling
Raheem
Well-Known Member
Think the majority of the traffic being replaced isn't direct, but separate journeys into and out of the UK, so it will mean lost work for UK-based drivers. Feasibly, lower carbon emissions, though.
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