The Ashes 2009

[gabi]

Winding up the Aussies is fun

Pretty pathetic IMO. I really can't imagine the Aussies doing something along those lines these days. They seemed to have learnt their lessons from the vilification of the underarm incident.

I agree yesterday's bullshit probably didn't affect the result, but then, why do it?

 

[waterloowelshy]

Pretty pathetic IMO. I really can't imagine the Aussies doing something along those lines these days. They seemed to have learnt their lessons from the vilification of the underarm incident.

I agree yesterday's bullshit probably didn't affect the result, but then, why do it?

Its not clear whose idea it actually was though. Clearly Jimmy and Monty didnt have much say in it as they hadnt called for the physio or new gloves. They were happy to keep playing, so we should have just got on with it. Probably Flower's and Strauss' mastermind idea - ive got an idea why dont those two use their brains coming up with plans to beat the Australians through playing cricket rather than wasting two minutes of time to save a test. Having said that it will probably be the biggest influence those two have on the series - i fear that the pair of them are woefully inept at running the team.

 

[fen_boy]

The Daily Mash's take.

Meanwhile England's Paul Collingwood insisted he was confident of another inexplicable draw at Lord's, adding: "It's looking good as long as Kevin Pietersen stops waving his bat like he's doing a voodoo dance and someone explains the rules to Stuart Broad."

 

[London_Calling]

Probably Flower's and Strauss' mastermind idea - ive got an idea why dont those two use their brains coming up with plans to beat the Australians through playing cricket rather than wasting two minutes of time to save a test.

And if that extra over had resulted in a wicket?

The press would have been so very kind about it, as would the posters on here.

 

[gabi]

And if that extra over had resulted in a wicket?

The press would have been so very kind about it, as would the posters on here.

The point is, that aint cricket, to use a cliche.

Siddle roughing up Swann and giving him a bit of verbal is fine and good for the game in my book for instance. Needlessly sending out a physio to run down the clock is unfair at best, cowardly at worst.

 

[Flashman]

Jimmy and Monty could've played North and Hauritz till midnight.

Ponting's error was not using Hilfenhaus, never mind 12th men and physios.

Anyway it's a bit rich Ponting bringing up the Spirit of Cricket, he's about as far from it as one can get.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Anyway it's a bit rich Ponting bringing up the Spirit of Cricket, he's about as far from it as one can get.

Example?

I agree with Gabi on this. Shitty tactics, although England aren't the only ones guilty of it.

 

[gabi]

Anyway it's a bit rich Ponting bringing up the Spirit of Cricket, he's about as far from it as one can get.

Example? He's always been an honourable player as far as I know?

Certainly nothing like the likes of Collingwood (appealing for a runout against NZ after Sidebottom had shoulder-barged the batsman) or Vaughan (subbing his lesser fieldsman for specialists under the pretence of 'comfort breaks')

 

[Flashman]

Example?

I agree with Gabi on this. Shitty tactics, although England aren't the only ones guilty of it.

The way he treated the umpires decisions just this Test.

Anyway I'm not defending our tactics, all a bit unsavoury.

 

[gabi]

The way he treated the umpires decisions just this Test.

Anyway I'm not defending our tactics, all a bit unsavoury.

Yup. Winding up aussies (I'm a kiwi) is always a joy, its just a bit unfortunate when it crosses the line of sportsmanship..

Anyway, back to the cricket - I can't see the english taking a single test in this series based on this performance. They were dire. The pitch had nothing to do with it either. I hope I'm wrong - I've got a lot of long lunch breaks planned I'd rather watch a decent contest.

 

[butchersapron]

The way he treated the umpires decisions just this Test.

Anyway I'm not defending our tactics, all a bit unsavoury.

How many times has he been fined for dissent towards the umpries now or been warned or talked to about his aggressive attitude towards them? He's no angel. That said, stupid thing for England to do. Did not like it.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

England were dire, but I think they can play a lot better. I think at least once in the series, Anderson will click and run through the Aussie batting, for instance.

They've got to ditch Broad asap. Bet they won't though. He appears untouchable for some reason.

 

[strung out]

Anyway, back to the cricket - I can't see the english taking a single test in this series based on this performance.

neither can i, based on that performance. however, we know that our bowlers and batsmen are capable of much better than they dished out the last 5 days. we'll see whether they can produce anything like some of the performances we know they can give, but i wouldn't write off england just yet.

 

[London_Calling]

Was there any swing at all in Cardiff, cos they don't like that so much?

 

[paulhackett]

Yup. Winding up aussies (I'm a kiwi) is always a joy, its just a bit unfortunate when it crosses the line of sportsmanship..

Anyway, back to the cricket - I can't see the english taking a single test in this series based on this performance. They were dire. The pitch had nothing to do with it either. I hope I'm wrong - I've got a lot of long lunch breaks planned I'd rather watch a decent contest.

If only Collingwood played well, then the others only have one place they can go? They can't all play that badly again, so hopefully it will be more competitive at least.

To be fair to Ponting he did also say that the 'time'wasting' wasn't the reason why they didn't win, although he must know that sending on subs after 2005 is partly to chip at him?

 

[Flashman]

How many times has he been fined for dissent towards the umpries now or been warned or talked to about his aggressive attitude towards them? He's no angel. That said, stupid thing for England to do. Did not like it.

Indeed.

And tbh I think swearing and being aggressive towards umps is far worse than bringing on a few pairs of gloves to waste one minute of a five day Test match.

 

[Stoat Boy]

Proof if it were ever needed of what a daft game it is.

Play for 5 days, one team obviously better than the other but its still a draw and is seen as 'loss' for the good team. And a 'victory' for the shite team.

And then you have an Australian banging on about 'fair play'.

Strange world.

 

[Flashman]

Proof if it were ever needed of what a daft game it is.

Play for 5 days, one team obviously better than the other but its still a draw and is seen as 'loss' for the good team. And a 'victory' for the shite team.

And then you have an Australian banging on about 'fair play'.

Strange world.

Tbh though I don't think there's a great gulf between the sides, if we'd have batted properly it would've been a bore draw with commentators saying "yes as we thought not much between these two sides", we just threw a good position away and got punished quite rightly.

I expect us to bat, and bowl, a lot better come Lord's.

 

[Flashman]

And just back to phsiogate do we honestly think every other team wouldn't have tried something similar on once they'd realised time was a factor?

Just saying it's not an English thing per se.

 

[mattie]

Every single team the world over would have done the exact same thing. I'm still uncomfortable with it though.

 

[liquidlunch]

All of the bullshit aside it was a great finish to a great test.Cardiff did well to get a pitch to test standard considering the weather it gets imo.To say England were damn lucky would be an understatement.
Have always rated Collingwood a first class player when he is up against it.
If it were up to me it would be goodbye to Broad,overly ineffective with nothing in the tank.Hope your selectors keep him though,plenty of runs for us.What about Freddy??1/130 or something.He is not fit,only bowled 3 good overs then he was knackered.Time wasting was not an issue,i would call it gamesmenship.Dont complain if it goes the other way in the next few tests will you?
If this is your standard for the next 4 tests then you are seriously fucked
We are going to kick your lilly white arses all over Lords

 

[paulhackett]

All of the bullshit aside it was a great finish to a great test.Cardiff did well to get a pitch to test standard considering the weather it gets imo.To say England were damn lucky would be an understatement.

If this is your standard for the next 4 tests then you are seriously fucked
We are going to kick your lilly white arses all over Lords

How representative was that test for Johnson? He was all over the shop, looked really poor (didn't want to jinx the game and post that yesterday).

 

[TrippyLondoner]

Every single team the world over would have done the exact same thing.

Truth, including the aussies. Sorry, but i have no sympathy for them. If they had lost an over because of it, then maybe.

 

[Nemo]

Truth, including the aussies. Sorry, but i have no sympathy for them. If they had lost an over because of it, then maybe.

Even if they had lost an over, they probably lost two because of Swann having to have the physio twice - they simply have to accept that shit happens. Of course, what this is actually about is attempted gamesmanship on the part of the Aussies.

 

[TrippyLondoner]

Even if they had lost an over, they probably lost two because of Swann having to have the physio twice - they simply have to accept that shit happens. .

Oh and why did swann need the physio? Oh yeah, cause they ever so sportingly wacked him all over the place with the ball when bowling at him.

 

[gabi]

Of course, what this is actually about is attempted gamesmanship on the part of the Aussies.

Now thats a leap of logic I've not come across yet, explain..

 

[gabi]

Oh and why did swann need the physio? Oh yeah, cause they ever so sportingly wacked him all over the place with the ball when bowling at him.

Thats part of the game - has been since Jardine..

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Thats part of the game - has been since Jardine..

Yep. And players wear much more protection now. Hostile short-pitched bowling aimed at the body is entirely legitimate.

tbf, I don't doubt that Swann himself would say the same thing.

 

[Nemo]

Oh and why did swann need the physio? Oh yeah, cause they ever so sportingly wacked him all over the place with the ball when bowling at him.

The bouncers are perfectly fine, provided that they accept that a.) they'll lose time in the game when people quite naturally need treatment after being hit, and b.) that Siddle will get his at Lord's.

Now thats a leap of logic I've not come across yet, explain..

It's to distract everyone's attention from Ponting's captaincy errors and the problems of their bowling attack, and also attempting to pull the rug out from under England by trying to diminish the achievements of Collingwood and the tail in salvaging that match.

 

[TrippyLondoner]

Thats part of the game - has been since Jardine..

I know that ofcourse, just saying they were blatantly trying to injure him everywhere and then complain about losing time...funny really.