The amount and pace of migration to the UK is unprecedented

[Tanya1982]

Surprisingly negative account.

BBC News - Channel crossings: Albanian migrants recruited to the UK by gangs

Channel crossings: Albanian migrants recruited to the UK by gangs

Drug gangs recruit from migrant camps, the BBC is told, as it speaks to Albanians on both sides of the Channel.

www.bbc.co.uk

There was a very good interview on Newsnight a couple of nights ago, where one participant objected to a Tory MP only singling out young women trafficked for sex work as genuine. She made the very decent point that young men are also trafficked for various criminal activities including drugs (and sex work). In this very thread, we've had someone declare that all the Albanian guys they know are 'well at it' when it comes to selling cocaine. Just as a prostitute will rarely tell a client they're doing it under some duress, neither will a drug dealer confide that - particularly in someone who just thinks they're all 'well at it'.

 

[Tanya1982]

I just think we can and should spin this thread into an ever more obscure series of food related derails really

my first and only experience with spaghetti hoops was only a week or so ago when I finished the toddler's dinner and thought to myself 'not too bad, if a little too acidy for my likings', and his mum told me that he had finished all of his dinner by himself but had caught a stomach bug at nursery.

Quite possibly. It can't be any more unproductive than whatever the creator had in mind.

I've never eaten them - I don't like tomato sauce. Did you end up with the shits after consuming your sick toddlers leftovers?

 

[klang]

big fan of baghdadi jewish music, me.

 

[isvicthere?]

People seemingly love to point out how the Irish, Huguenots, Eastern European Jews, people of the Commonwealth moved to Britain, therefore we are an immigrant nation. Despite the scale of these migrations being significantly smaller.

The English also "moved to Britain" (from northern central Europe). That was proportionally a much bigger migration than the one which you are describing now, and which, therefore, is not "unprecedented."

 

[Tanya1982]

big fan of baghdadi jewish music, me.

I prefer a nice rousing hymn, but each to their own.

 

[isvicthere?]

Can I ask, of what relevance is your parents heritage? It's stated at the start, so it must be related to what follows, in your own mind. It's not clear that it's meant to be doing anything other than a lot of heavy lifting for a lot of subsequent prejudice, misinformation, and generalization about a lot of other people and a country that consistently chooses to compound it's challenges, while underselling or ignoring a heartbreaking amount of potential, best practice, and evidence based policy making.

It´s a new twist on the old "some of my best friends are black" angle.

 

[Tanya1982]

It´s a new twist on the old "some of my best friends are black" angle.

I'd be interested to know the motivation. It was laid out right at the beginning, rather than coming out in a developing conversation, so it must've seemed of primary importance to all that followed. It seemed like the old 'last off the boat' and 'pull the ladder up behind you' shtick, but I hoped not.

 

[Pickman's model]

Spaghetti hoops were invented in the 1960s in the USA and have nothing to do with Italy, where they are unavailable and I sincerely doubt any Italian who has not spent time in an English-speaking county would ever have heard of them.

I thought you'd have heard of anelli siciliani, which look very much like spaghetti hoops Anelli or Anelletti pasta rings.

 

[JimW]

I have. And it isn’t because they want to appear posh.

That is a weird one; seemed far more common among w/c acquaintances back home, not that I know many actual posh people. Modern marriage seems to go that way; you can see it with a lot of young footballers too.

 

[Pickman's model]

Anyone who starts their thread or post with disclaimer and uses a poor variant on the some of my best friends trope is a knob

It´s a new twist on the old "some of my best friends are black" angle.

Brilliant minds

 

[bimble]

I’m sorry, want to talk spaghetti hoops too, but look at the state of the language in this thing. It’s a desperate way to try to cling to power when you end up calling the rule of law Anti-British.

 

[danny la rouge]

I’m sorry, want to talk spaghetti hoops too, but look at the state of the language in this thing. It’s a desperate way to try to cling to power when you end up calling the rule of law Anti-British.
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“We do not know who they are or where they have come from”.

Strangers! This is a local country for local people!

 

[Serge Forward]

I’m sorry, want to talk spaghetti hoops too, but look at the state of the language in this thing. It’s a desperate way to try to cling to power when you end up calling the rule of law Anti-British.
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It's like reading something from Der Stürmer

 

[Pickman's model]

It's like reading something from Der Stűrmer

it's probably lifted from there and given some minor alterations

plus there's something really wrong with that signature, i've always thought that people who abbreviate their first name like that in their signature have something to hide and it's really weird to put so much effort into the last letter of your surname.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Tangentially related they did the citizen test on breakfast telly and it was all English royal history lol. I was expecting it to be popular culture. That’s me deported then.

 

[eatmorecheese]

Chris Philp, the Bromley Patrick Bateman, thinks people have a bit of a 'cheek' to complain about their children sleeping on mats on cold floors with little warm clothing and no heat at Manston.

No words.

 

[teqniq]

Chris Philp, the Bromley Patrick Bateman, thinks people have a bit of a 'cheek' to complain about their children sleeping on mats on cold floors with little warm clothing and no heat at Manston.

No words.

Proper regular scumbag:

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Some context for the 'refugee crisis'. Compare and contrast the UK's numbers with those of the seventh-poorest country in the world, Chad.

Chad has a population of 18 million and a GPD per capita of less than $1,000. It currently hosts 570,000 refugees fleeing neighbouring countries. That's a refugee crisis. And I didn't particularly cherry-pick Chad. There are lots of other examples.

Chad

 

[ViolentPanda]

I'm proud to say I've never met anyone working class with a double barrelled surname.

You've brought up the gentrification of Brixton. Are you still living there?

Yes, on a council estate.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Spaghetti hoops were invented in the 1960s in the USA and have nothing to do with Italy, where they are unavailable and I sincerely doubt any Italian who has not spent time in an English-speaking county would ever have heard of them.

I haven't eaten spaghetti hoops on toast since Maxine Peake, on "Dinner Ladies" called them "arseholes on toast".

 

[ViolentPanda]

Crypto tycoon, apparently.

Buffoon is not spelt "tycoon", danny!

 

[friedaweed]

Yep, let's be straight here about what a "ghetto" is. It ISN'T an area settled by members of a particular ethnicity &/or religion through choice or economic forces. It's an area where people are concentrated because a state wills it. Manston is a "ghetto". Cricklewood (or Brixton, Southhall, Manningham, Govanhill) aren't. Racists like to think otherwise - that any area with a concentration of "non-white" &/or "non-British" people, is a "ghetto". Fuck them. Fuck the horse they rode in on, & fuck the cunt who sold them the horse.

I've always used Elvis's definition of the ghetto as a good starting point when exploring this concept. There needs to be a significant amount of hungry little boys with runny noses and and streets where the cold wind blows.

Anyway 9 posts and 19 pages. This one's a card, that's for sure

In the ghetto....

 

[Pickman's model]

I haven't eaten spaghetti hoops on toast since Maxine Peake, on "Dinner Ladies" called them "arseholes on toast".

Correlation or causation?

 

[bimble]

I had spaghetti hoops on toast today mid morning, so something good has come of it all.

 

[danny la rouge]

It's like reading something from Der Stürmer

As is this illustration, from Der Spectator:

 

[8ball]

As is this illustration, from Der Spectator:

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Ewww… that’s edifying.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

As is this illustration, from Der Spectator:

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Fucking hell. That's like something Charlie Hebdo would do as satire, but done straight. Wow.

please tell me the article is critical of the fear-mongering and that image is satire.

 

[eatmorecheese]

As is this illustration, from Der Spectator:

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Straight out of the fascist propaganda playbook. Where we are.

 

[teuchter]

As is this illustration, from Der Spectator:

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An awful image.

Actually though, it seems originally to have come from a 2014 issue of the Spectator, for a cover story arguing that the UK should be taking in more refugees (but spending less on foreign aid).

The shameful truth: Britain lets in far too few refugees

Pictures from Calais have returned to our television screens, showing desperate men and women trying to break into lorries bound for Britain. A Sudanese man died jumping from a bridge onto a lorry heading for Dover. Another perished after falling from the axles of a bus. The mayor of Calais has...

www.spectator.co.uk

 

[littlebabyjesus]

An awful image.

Actually though, it seems originally to have come from a 2014 issue of the Spectator, for a cover story arguing that the UK should be taking in more refugees (but spending less on foreign aid).

The shameful truth: Britain lets in far too few refugees

Pictures from Calais have returned to our television screens, showing desperate men and women trying to break into lorries bound for Britain. A Sudanese man died jumping from a bridge onto a lorry heading for Dover. Another perished after falling from the axles of a bus. The mayor of Calais has...

www.spectator.co.uk

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So that is a Charlie Hebdo-style cartoon originally, kind of - an image intended to illustrate an issue as viewed in a particular way to show up how wrong that way is.

But they've repurposed it to go with an article that, among other things, contains a graph showing how the number of foreign-born people in the UK has gone up.