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Explain like I’m stupid…? Are these the safest Tory seats?
moochedit
I'm not feeding seagulls
Doubt many 18 year olds are on board either (or their parents).
Silas Loom
A lome the lenthe of a yerde
And that was back when they still had the infrastructure and NCO cadre from WWII conscription.
BusLanes
Pedestrian
Some are theoretically very safe but they're seats where the incumbent has decided not to stand in the election
rubbershoes
not the only raver in the village
It's just what Rishi did at school. A year of compulsory Corps or community project.
It made him what he is today. Well, that and marrying a billionaire's daughter
It made him what he is today. Well, that and marrying a billionaire's daughter
gosub
~#
That's the trouble with the youth: need to be fitter and better trained with weapons
That's the rifles being made ready for new conscripts
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
andysays
Love and solidarity
This "plan" is not really about bringing back conscription to strengthen the armed forces, and much of of the criticism appears to be based on the mistaken idea that it is, and so largely misses the mark.
The "plan" looks to me like an ill-thought out sound bite idea, but in response, both both Labour and the LibDems are (sabre) rattling on about how the armed forces need to be built up again.
Conservatives plan to bring back mandatory national service
The "plan" looks to me like an ill-thought out sound bite idea, but in response, both both Labour and the LibDems are (sabre) rattling on about how the armed forces need to be built up again.
danny la rouge
I have a cheese grater in the dishwasher.
Well the reason for this line of attack is that neither opposition party wants to be seen as attacking the idea of National service per se or the army. That’s how far right the Overton window has moved.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
No matter how bonkers, UKIPy improbable tripe it is; rat-boy's team have finally managed to set a campaign talking point. This is a metric of their desperation; first real punt is aimed at geriatric core voters.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
Two things:
This is obviously a vacuous, desperate fag packet thing dreamt up yesterday in a panicked attempted to get spittle-flecked old people to vote Tory.
Worth noting that Sunak slapped down the outgoing Chief of the General Staff when he spoke about national resilience (not conscription) in a speech a few months ago, and that for all their fluff, the Tories have announced an 'increase' of defence spending about 50 times, and each time it gets pushed further back.
However. Finland, Denmark, Sweden, Denmark etc.. have various forms of national service, and they somehow manage to avoid being fascist dictatorships.
One of the failings of the left is that for all their professed hatred of the Tories, they don't half seems enthusiastic about believing every word that the most dishonest group of people ever assembled say....
This is obviously a vacuous, desperate fag packet thing dreamt up yesterday in a panicked attempted to get spittle-flecked old people to vote Tory.
Worth noting that Sunak slapped down the outgoing Chief of the General Staff when he spoke about national resilience (not conscription) in a speech a few months ago, and that for all their fluff, the Tories have announced an 'increase' of defence spending about 50 times, and each time it gets pushed further back.
However. Finland, Denmark, Sweden, Denmark etc.. have various forms of national service, and they somehow manage to avoid being fascist dictatorships.
One of the failings of the left is that for all their professed hatred of the Tories, they don't half seems enthusiastic about believing every word that the most dishonest group of people ever assembled say....
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
My MP is changing due to a boundary change. I've had quite a bit of correspondence with my now former local MP about housing issues. So I'll now have to brief my new MP about all the same issues. Given that I suffer from Complex PTSD as a result of the issues that persisted over more than two decades, it's potentially going to be triggering and traumatic for me to have to dredge up memories and re-recount incidents and problems.
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
Potentially tricky with cats though. I mean, some cats just leave their owners and move in with someone else, like, 'I live here now, feed me'.
Are people going to be prosecuted if they keep coming home and finding their neighbour's cat has come in through the cat flap again?
andysays
Love and solidarity
This is true, unfortunately.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
He was head of the CPS, that's one step removed from being Old Bill, so yeah, untrustworthy is built in with Keith.
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
No one that I've seen in the media seems to have noticed how this daft policy has become Tory party policy with no discussion within their own ranks. A plan to severely restrict the freedom of teenagers gets announced by an unelected PM and leader of the 'party of freedom and democracy'.
ska invita
back on the other side
I disagree, they have known they had an election this year and they will have a plan for that campaign - expect more policy announcements yet to come.
National Service is popular with a certain type of voter
We've had a European-wide drum beat for militarising society further, we are proudly told we are post-peace, and this fits that neatly.
It's a good move from the Tories, but they're going to need a lot more like this to rile up the voters
Maybe bring back hanging next
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Silas Loom
A lome the lenthe of a yerde
They are already rowing back from the scheme being compulsory with sanctions for noncompliance. The WhatsApp groups must have been toxic last night.
This really does have all the hallmarks of a desperate last minute attempt to change the narrative, dreamed up by the very small team around Sunak. And if you look at the supposed detail of the plans, most of the cohort would be “volunteering” in civil society gigs rather than the paid military placements.
This is nothing that anyone in defence, national security or civil resilience thinks is a good idea. Even if countries like Denmark and Norway can get away with it, they already have high community cohesion and social protection which fosters senses of duty and responsibility. Trying to make volunteering compulsory in a disaffected populace puts the cart before the horse and would put a terrible strain on the public services involved.
danny la rouge
I have a cheese grater in the dishwasher.
I’m not sure who is believing what here. The point is not whether they’ll get to do, or even whether they believe they’ll get to do it, but that they’re pressing certain reactionary buttons for a reason and that both opposition parties are afraid to look like they’re disagreeing with the reactionary rhetoric, real or not.
ska invita
back on the other side
It doesnt matter if the military think its a good idea, this is an election
I say again re last minute, everyone knows there is an election, they will have plans, Keir Starmer has had his Six Pledges To Do Fuck All written up in his best hand writing and in his extra special folder ready to go, and the Tories may be looking beat but there will be an election strategy and policy announcements over the coming weeks.
cupid_stunt
Where's the bloody sun?
Someone on Sky said only 30k, out of around 700k, 18-year-olds per year would be able to take military placements, the rest would be required to be a complete pain in the arse to the likes of the NHS and fire service, bonkers idea.
And, it'll be largely funded by clamping down on tax aversion, as if they haven't had 14 bloody years to do that already, or that they are ever likely to do that.
Still it gives Labour another item to add to their list of unfunded Tory spending plans.
ska invita
back on the other side
No one gives a fuck about "unfunded" other than people who hate the Labour party
If you think kids today are soft shits who need to do some service then you definitely dont think can the government fund it or not
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
Yes, and his track record as head of CPS left a lot to be desired. Not least him being DPP when the CPS failed to disclose crucial evidence about the spycop involvement in the case against protesters (including some friends of mine) who were wrongfully convicted.
Drax protesters' convictions quashed over withheld evidence of police spy
Lord chief justice says there was a 'total failure' to disclose evidence gathered by undercover police officer Mark Kennedy
A message to anyone thinking of voting for Keir Starmer in the Labour leadership race
And it's not just because the last thing Labour needs is another white man
www.thecanary.co
And let's not forget, it was the CPS under Starmer's tenure that initially decide not to prosecute anyone for the death of Ian Tomlinson. Botching the job meant that after a jury returned a verdict of unlawful killing, the trial for manslaughter against the cop failed and he was acquitted.
CPS statement on the death of Ian Tomlinson
Read the full statement from the Crown Prosecution Service on the death of Ian Tomlinson at G20 protests in London in 2009
Starmer likes to dine out on the fact that once upon a time he was a human rights barrister, but his track record over the years since then - including those incidents mentioned and also more recently his saying that Israel could withhold power and water from Gaza (punishing a civilian population in such a manner is illegal under international law, ie a war crime) and then lacking leadership, repeatedly failing to call for a ceasefire, until pressured by his own colleagues to do so - show you what he's really like, what he really believes.
When someone shows you who they are, believe them.
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
My Dad was amongst the last to do National Service and did 2 years which gets me wondering how long the service would be for. You get a choice of full-time service in the military presumably for 1-2 years or one weekend a month litter picking or whatever for how long? If it's also 2 years then everyone is going to go for that save those that actually want to join the military anyway. If it's going to be a comparable time then it's going to last until their mid-20's.
Will it be only men? If so will it get challenged on equal opportunities grounds?
This is something that Sevenbins has literally pulled out of his arse yesterday without talking about it with anyone in the bizarre belief that the public want it. Well they do if the public consists of a handful of rabid Tory Party members.
In order to win the election, the Tories need to do what they have always done to win. Economic growth, rising house prices and falling taxes.
They don't have a frigging clue as to how to do that so they're just coming up with these barmy schemes to distract from how utterly screwed they are.
Will it be only men? If so will it get challenged on equal opportunities grounds?
This is something that Sevenbins has literally pulled out of his arse yesterday without talking about it with anyone in the bizarre belief that the public want it. Well they do if the public consists of a handful of rabid Tory Party members.
In order to win the election, the Tories need to do what they have always done to win. Economic growth, rising house prices and falling taxes.
They don't have a frigging clue as to how to do that so they're just coming up with these barmy schemes to distract from how utterly screwed they are.
danny la rouge
I have a cheese grater in the dishwasher.
Of course. But that’s the tone of the election, is the point. Tories trying to put “clear blue water” between them and Labour, and Labour doing their best to deny it’s there.
Silas Loom
A lome the lenthe of a yerde
One year. Men and women. Figuratively.
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