The 2024 UK General Election - news, speculation and updates
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The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Can you point me to the relevant sections of the Labour manifesto please
Elpenor
a clown’s heart and a mandolin
Tweet by Lee Harpin more likely i reckon
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
I don't wish to take the piss, but I know you don't believe that governments treat their manifestos as Holy Writ, never to be deviated from, to be implemented entirely and absolutely, and nothing else shall happen.
Labours' manifesto is beige, but here's the thing - it's very blank-sheet-of-paper nature allows all manner of things to be explored after the election. Added to which, stuff is just going to happen - like Thames Water teetering on bankruptcy, which is going to have to be addressed in the first months of the next government, and the private sector solutions aren't exactly queueing up, so don't be surprised if it ends up in public hands somehow.
The manifesto isn't beige because they couldn't think of anything to put in it, it's beige to a) give the Tories/their media nothing to attack, and b) to give a Lab government maximum freedom of movement over the next five years.
I'm not going to sit here and tell you think I think they have a secret plan to be Corbyn 2.0, but I genuinely believe that they are far less hostile to public ownership and big, heavy levers of power than most seem to think.
skyscraper101
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Interesting. Always good to see which parties are being represented in one place.
Though some of it is confusing. Why are there two entries for the 'Green Party'? Who even are some of these parties? Can you be a party with one candidate? Why are there two seperate entries for the 'English Democrats' with one being 'The English Democrats and UKIP' - its all very weird.
tommers
It was... Rebekah Vardy's account
It's not in the manifesto but it's definitely going to happen. Cos people are going to be Too Sad otherwise.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
I think we'll need to revisit this post
Given the lp's push to be the party of business any claims to be the party of public ownership can be taken with a pinch or three of salt
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
I guessing 2 are standing on a joint 'English Democrats and UKIP' ticket, much like there's separate entries for the 'Labour Party' and 'Labour Party and Co-operative Party.'
Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
Thought I recognised that name. He recently featured in a Graun article.The News Agent goes to Ladywood to find the independent candidate who is threatening Labour. His candidature is, to be polite, somewhat controversial
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Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
I'd have thought the only ones holding out now are the Bullingdon Club.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
The original post I replied to was actually the opium fuelled one about raising 'taxes and push the money into public services, while nationalising some key ones to raise performance and reduce cost' rather than to any inherent hostility to public ownership or something to do with big heavy levers of powers ( circa Workers Girder).
I don't think they necessarily have a red line over some form of state intervention/ nationalisation in exceptional circumstances, after all they have a half hearted pledge to bring some elements of the railways nearer in house , although given what you say that may not happen. The Tories themselves 'nationalised' Transpennine Express etc and the Blair govt 'nationalised ' Northern Rock , so state intervention cannot be ruled out. However is it a core method of intervention or a default policy by Reeves and Starmer, well no, in fact, quite the opposite.
Labour's GB Energy project sets the tone. It's billed as a publicly owned, Scottish-based national energy company however when asked if it was an energy company that would actually be producing power to pump into people's homes Pat McFadden admitted GB energy isn't an energy company at all, but is actually a finance company designed to generate private sector investment.
Labour's manifesto may partly be beige not to give the Tories/their media anything to attack ( although ironically labours manifesto is so beige its actually supported by a number of Tories) however Labour's economic strategy is clear and set out and it has been drafted after a huge number of meetings with the private sector over the past two years. They've met with most of the top 300 companies , attracted a large amount of donations from the private sector , more than they have from Trade Unions, and the backing companies have provided staff to Labour to work on these plans. Investment in the public sector will be led by the Labour Government's British Infrastructure Council. Set up by Labour , it is a group of UK-based and international investment firms including Santander, Lloyds ( which includes Halifax etc) , HSBC, Phoenix Group and Fidelity International and even BlackRock, with a role to 'unlock' private capital. All this was in the Bloomberg article I posted and the FT. It's PFI mark 2.
It's a clear economic strategy with clear economic beliefs and private sector backing after several years of discussions, hence the backing of the FT /Economist etc and, despite your belief, I find it hard to believe that this is going to be torn up for some unannounced and unplanned 'Labour government maximum freedom of movement' in which the sky is the limit.
Bus Honeygun
This week the score draws are plentiful
Maybe they missed both a comma and the result of the Brexit referendum?
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Hahaha!
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
I appreciate that; it’s not going to be as bad as people fear nor as good as people hope…
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Nope
Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
BIB - Not even the disabled benefit claimants whose lives Starmer and Reeves have repeatedly made clear that they they'll make even tougher?
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
Bumper crop of leaflets today. 8 in total. The highlight was the 4 from the Lib Dems - 1 hand delivered for the wrong constituency, 1 posted to the wrong address plus two more. Normally the dog goes for the Labour ones, and leaves the Green ones, but this was his first taste of Lib Dem, he seemed to enjoy getting his teeth into those.
PR1Berske
Alligator in chains by the park gates.
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The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Well, it appears he has inside knowledge from his time in politics
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Just over a week on, and clearly Labour is throwing the kitchen sink at winning the Worthing West seat -
Labour - 7 flyers (including 2 addressed to me personally - one each from the candidate and Starmer) + a canvasser
Tories - 2 flyers + a 4-page tabloid size 'newspaper' produced by their HQ, no mention of Peter Bottomley or anything local, I've never had one of those before.
Reform - 1 flyer - a national one with a photo of Farage and Tice, with just a white panel where they inserted the name of the constituency and candidate.
LibDem - 1 flyer
Green - 1 flyer.
I've never experienced anything like this, nor felt more wanted.
Postie has just delivered another two from Labour, so that's 9 now, including now 3 addressed to me personally!
And, every one has been different, so it's not a question of accidently doubling up.
Zapp Brannigan
Built like a steakhouse, handles like a bistro
Really weird piece of election propaganda landed today.
Addressed to my wife, return address on the plain brown envelope as CCHQ, Leeds (we're in Rugby, Warwickshire for ref.).
Double sided A4, standard size text, no pictures or anything. Just a letter, from the Dr Mrs B of the future writing back to the herself of now; speaking of the regret at voting Reform in 2024, which let Kier Starmer sneak into power and unleash a deadly torrent of Britain-hating school-pupil indoctrination. The word "Conservative" only appeared once, in about 6 point font size in the "produced by x on behalf of y" footer.
Properly weird, and completely pointless - who exactly is going to read 2 sides of A4 of that drivel and have their mind changed in the last 4 days?
Addressed to my wife, return address on the plain brown envelope as CCHQ, Leeds (we're in Rugby, Warwickshire for ref.).
Double sided A4, standard size text, no pictures or anything. Just a letter, from the Dr Mrs B of the future writing back to the herself of now; speaking of the regret at voting Reform in 2024, which let Kier Starmer sneak into power and unleash a deadly torrent of Britain-hating school-pupil indoctrination. The word "Conservative" only appeared once, in about 6 point font size in the "produced by x on behalf of y" footer.
Properly weird, and completely pointless - who exactly is going to read 2 sides of A4 of that drivel and have their mind changed in the last 4 days?
Zapp Brannigan
Built like a steakhouse, handles like a bistro
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
I've had a fourth Rosie Wrighting 4 Lab leaflet now, this one came in an envelope, I'm deffo getting the 4th july knock from the GOTV labour team. They really must think they've got a chance at unseating old Hollobone, whose held it forever, the last guy was a sawford senior, old school labour many many years ago. His son is now lab/co-op* and in local politics
*the ghost of a party haunting the internal labour party. De jure its own thing, de facto the last lingering remnants of Robert Owens. At least that how it seems to me. Weirdly the lab/co-op people you see talking on ze internet tend to come off as v reactionary. Perhaps thats just internet belligerence but if its not the story of what happened to the co-op as a party would be worth a read, to me. Essays/books if you have them pls, labour history nerds
On a minor note ashworth appeared on the box this morning and both bro (stayed over) and myself said 'fuck off' at exactly the same time as I reached for the mouse to go for songs. He doesn't even know who ashworth is. Or didn't, now he know more than he strictly ever needs to and has not thanked me for it.
*the ghost of a party haunting the internal labour party. De jure its own thing, de facto the last lingering remnants of Robert Owens. At least that how it seems to me. Weirdly the lab/co-op people you see talking on ze internet tend to come off as v reactionary. Perhaps thats just internet belligerence but if its not the story of what happened to the co-op as a party would be worth a read, to me. Essays/books if you have them pls, labour history nerds
On a minor note ashworth appeared on the box this morning and both bro (stayed over) and myself said 'fuck off' at exactly the same time as I reached for the mouse to go for songs. He doesn't even know who ashworth is. Or didn't, now he know more than he strictly ever needs to and has not thanked me for it.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
How weird. So, they've sent your wife a letter with her own name on the letter to herself?? As well as being bizarre, for some reason that even feels a bit creepy. And totally counter productive I'd have thought. Unless you already thought Starmer was about to introduce an Islamist-Trotskyist-Putinist hatefest, such a weird communication would only make the Torys seem truly desperate.
PR1Berske
Alligator in chains by the park gates.
Mine is part of the 0330 clump. Should be still awake.
I think you may be using 'highlight' wrong in that sentence. (How's your dog...?
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PR1Berske
Alligator in chains by the park gates.
That's one of the most ridiculous pieces of election literature I've ever seen
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